Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

[Rosepetalgeranium]

Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

Many of the people affected by this are employed in the NHS, and not particularly well paid.
To charge people like that £65 out of taxed income is just disgraceful.
We need these people to work for us, but we are charging them a fee to do so!

Considering the utter fiasco that is Brexit, £65 is a pretty small personal sacrifice to pay. If only the damage got limited to £65 per EU national. I wish.

just above 50% of the country voted for something they didn't understand, many of who would now voted differently if they knew

Is this from the same polls that predicted a Remain vote, Clinton win and Tory landslide or just something you believe? People are as much entrenched in their vote as they voted at the time and it only takes threads on here to prove it. I predict Leave would get more if put to to the vote again, but I state it as a prediction rather than a fact.

I’m disgusted, and ashamed to be seen as part of ‘great’ Britain.
I do not want Brexit. I did not vote for Brexit. Nobody I know voted for Brexit.

I do not want Brexit. I did not vote for Brexit. Nobody I know voted for Brexit.

And?

BookMeOnTheSudExpress
HomeIsNotAStrategy
Exactly my experience of all the European countries I lived in. As I said, the U.K. is just doing what many European countries have been doing for decades.

So go all the EU citizens complaining about the cost, the country is in reality getting in line with yours even if it is because of bloody Brexit. Why therefore are you complaining about the cost of something your country has probably been imposing for decades?

As I said upthread I voted remain and I really hope we don’t leave. But really getting in a froth about £65 is silly.

Interesting how our posts are being ignored.

I think it’s perfectly acceptable and reasonable actually 🤷🏼‍♀️

I always find it weird that someone will live in a country for decades without becoming a citizen. The UK is fairly decent in this regard thus allowing non-residents to apply to stay, but if you were in the US or Australia or Asia you wouldn’t be guaranteed anything — I have even seen Visas revoked because of changes to regulation that occured after the application was in progress. Be grateful you’re living in a civilized country and apply for citizenship if you qualify.

If the government can't get Apple to allow their "app" to work, then good luck getting any tax out of them either ...

Also, it costs way more than £65 for Brits to stay in EU countries. A colleague of mine has just forked out over a grand because he wanted to stay in Germany post-Brexit.

To all those who say no big deal, look at other countries etc. If you emigrate to the US, or anywhere else you know beforehand what the deal is and you prepare accordingly. What's being done here is to make people with an acquired status apply for the status they ALREADY HAVE! How about your employer or landlord changes unilaterally the terms of your contract after 20 years, how would you feel? Or how about the government were to change the definition of a British citizen and you suddenly don't know where you stand? Would you like that? I came here in good faith over 20 years ago with residency rights agreed and now the UK is changing those terms, can you not see it's not fair?
I have now naturalised (at great cost) but I'm not happy about what's happening and how it's driven away many people I know.

@Evilspiritgin, I wonder if you work at my hospital! In our unit of 70 odd staff, two are immigrants. One is a young Indian doctor who supports his family back home who don’t wish to move here. The other is a Hungarian consultant whose wife still lives in Hungary, his children came here for uni and then went back to Hungary.

The nurses are all British, admin British, managers, security and doctors are all British. I don’t recognise this version of the NHS being propped up by EU citizens

It's not about the cost by the way. My issue is with having to apply in the first place. Fair enough for new arrivals post brexit as then they do know it's not the same, but the 3m should NOT have to. Not even for £1.

As an expat, I think the bar is lower in the UK than in many other countries.

If the EU can add on costs such as VAT then why the hell shouldn't the UK?

If anyone struggles to pay £65 then I'd question whether they're a net gain to UK society and, if they aren't, should they be in the UK in the first place?

N.b. this has nothing to do with my opinion on Brexit.

@Quietrebel - all other countries do this. Including the US. I know this from experience. The UK also has always had this rule for non-EU residents. All that’s happening now is that you are being treated the same as an Indian or Pakistani resident who’s lived in the UK for twenty years.

Fuckyousanta, what happens in one relatively small unit is, with every respect, hardly evidence of what happens in the NHS as a whole. According to data published in the House of Commons Library, 63,000 of NHS staff in England are EU nationals, and 144,000 are of non-British nationality. Around 49,000 staff are Asian nationals. About a third of all EU nationals in the NHS work in London.

10% of doctors and 7% of nurses are EU nationals. We already struggle to recruit staff for specialist work, so if we lost 10% of doctors it would have a very serious effect on the NHS.

@cherries
You are still missing the point that these were not the terms under which I settled here. The US make it complicated but at least it's something I know before I ever move there. I would not be tricked into thinking my status is safe!
Second, just because non EU migrants are treated a certain way doesn't mean it's right. Or if other countries have unfair rules, that they should be emulated!

@DeepanKrispanEven

Improving salaries?

That's basic economics.

And yes, I naturalised because I do not want to be treated as a foreigner here, as sad as it is to admit.

@Quietrebel - the UK already has these rules. All that’s happening now is that EU citizens have their ‘special’ status removed and are being treated the same as other countries’ citizens — most of whom were only allowed to even get their work permit if they earned over £30k. All immigrants should be treated the same

@cherries
Well you said it there: 'removed'
It's the 'removed' bit I have a problem with. Like it was a mistake that had to be corrected.
You think like our dear PM that we were queue jumpers then.
It wasn't a mistake it was a legitimate status enjoyed by all EU citizens including Brits to live and work in the EU. You can't take rights away from people. You can make it harder for new arrivals if you wish but not retrospectively strip people of their status. Again, applying for something you already have is wrong!
Once more, i have no issue with new immigration rules from 30th march, only with tinkering with the status of people who are already here.

If not done right, this could be Windrush on steroids.

setasProfile, what's the relevance of improving salaries? We have more EU citizens from "old" EU countries such as Spain and France than from the newer ones in the NHS, particularly amongst doctors, and they can certainly earn at least as much in their own countries as they can here without having to jump through all the hoops associated in tranferring between EU and non-EU countries.

Well, EU citizens from the old countries are leaving in droves. I read somewhere about a third of French residents here are planning to move back in the short term.

@VentingDaughter

The most basic supply and demand. I studied PPE (with a small 'e') but understand how salaries will increase if supply decreases.

Don't you?