Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

[Rosepetalgeranium]

Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

Espically as EU immigrants contribute more to the economy than British born people!

Not proven, but don't let that stop you stating it as fact .

I say that as a very pro-EU Remainer, with a healthy interest in the truth.

Well, I’m not from the EU and had to pay £2300 for settled status so £65 sounds fantastic! That was on top of the £6000 I’d previously spent on fees to the Home Office. But Brexit is shit and I do get that it’s the reneging on the promise that’s the problem...even if I am just a little bit jealous.

That said, having a decade of experience wrangling with Home Office processes, there is no way in hell they’ll be able to do this through an app! They function only a modest degree better than HMRC, so I wouldn’t be hopeful about anything but a paper app (that someone will still lose).

Seriously fuck off with thinking this is one step away from immigrants wearing yellow stars.

Conflating a £65 admin charge and the Jewish holocaust is disgusting, ridiculously overblown and makes you look stupid.

The issue for me is that we were promised that no matter what the result, the status of EU nationals living in Britain wouldn't change. But then, we were promised that our membership of the single market wasn't under threat either. Can't trust a word this government says - they're so desperate to mop up the UKIP votes and cling onto power that all sense and decency went out of the window a long time ago.

I was enraged as I saw a message come through work about right to remain, anyone caught up in this has my utmost sympathy.

If paying the £65 means your stamped as being able to stay as long as you like in the uk, no further problems -then its cheap as chips.

If this is to build a database of foreign nationals who in future can be squeezed and put under unnecessary stress (continually updating their most recent address, earning over a certain threshold, limited access to schools/nhs) as is the whim of any future home office dictat - then it is abysmal.

I'll be really intrested to know if anyone is being refused via this process and on what grounds, if everyone is just being registered then the squeezing will come later.

But £65 wasn't part of the deal they signed up for. It's new rules and making the people that keep the NHS running and pay more in tax than they take feel unwelcome and its disgusting.

This is me. Lived here for 20 plus years, own a house, married to a Brit. Two British children. Have worked and payed tax here for more than 20 years.

Take my £65 pound whatever. The point is the feeling of being less than, not one of anymore. It hurts, it feels ungrateful. You feel unwanted. I want to go for citizenship but I’m on matleave so don’t have the 2k it would cost me. To stay in my house, access medical care and be treated like I don’t know, my neighbours

Unbelievable that my friend, who came here from Spain in 1995 and has lived here ever since, married with dc, is having to do this. This country is a disgrace and an embarrassment.

Espically as EU immigrants contribute more to the economy than British born people

My next door neighbours are Romanian business owners. His brother owns a taxi company. All their Romanians friends and family work for them. On paper they contribute a lot to the economy. In reality they are sending most of the money back to Romania. Thousands of pounds a week.

It’s their money so I can’t get worked up about it but the reality is that most of their money is not spent in this country

Espically as EU immigrants contribute more to the economy than British born people!

Not proven, but don't let that stop you stating it as fact

The most recent study, commissioned by the Migration Advisory Committee on behalf of the government found that it is indeed the case that EU migrants contribute more than British bien people. From the study:

The average European migrant arriving in the UK in 2016 will contribute £78,000 more than they take out in public services and benefits over their time spent in the UK (assuming a balanced national budget), and the average non-European migrant will make a positive net contribution of £28,000 while living here. By comparison, the average UK citizen’s net lifetime contribution in this scenario is zero.

You are choosing to take this personally. You’re viewing it as making you “less than”. It’s an admin job for anyone not born in the UK.

I despise Brexit. Bring on Vote II etc.

But this beating up of UK actions and policy does seem reflexively one-eyed. I have been very disappointed in the EU’s reaction in the field of intra-EU migration.

The expectation created by freedom of movement was something the member states and the EU institutionally both have a moral responsibility to honour in the event of an exit, or even just a policy change.

As far as I understand it the UK government did take a generous and decent stance. But the EU wanted to punish the UK and its citizens.

Happy to be wrong about that though.

@Childrenofthesun and it’s been shown time and time again that a large percentage of that money is not spent in the UK and is sent back home.

Someone linked to research on another thread which I can’t find atm.

It’s £65! It’s a bloody bargain! Rules change all the time, the people voted for Brexit, this is a consequence. I’ve paid thousands regularising my citizenship in Oz (and happy to do it). If I was in this position I’d pay up before they put the price up!

Official Brexit rules apply.

The majority voted for it, therefore if you complain you are a remoaner.

And if anyone (on the leave side) says, "but I didn't realise it'd mean this" - they're getting a virtual slap.

It's an inevitable consequence of Brexit. Because like it or not, the rules for EU nationals coming to the UK in the future will change. And therefore there has to be a way to distinguish those who were already here and therefore have far greater rights in terms of employment, health care etc. Unless someone else has a magic solution that nobody in government has thought of as to how you'd make that distinction, £65 and a quick online process really isn't that bad

Fuckyou the majority of their contribution is in taxes paid to the UK government.

Report here: www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbba

It is beyond doubt that EU migrants are an economy boon to the UK. People who don't like EU migration are not coming at it from an economic point of view.

Of course I’m taking it personally. As do all other EU nationals that I know. Why is that so hard or inflammatory to believe?

If your child came crying home from school asking why people doesn’t want his mum to live in London anymore, it would probably feel pretty damn personal to you too.

@Lndnmummy, no I’d explain to him that isn’t the case and get on with my day. I wouldn’t feed his worries but agreeing with him.

Unless someone else has a magic solution that nobody in government has thought of as to how you'd make that distinction, £65 and a quick online process really isn't that bad

How about doing it for free, given that it is not the fault of the EU citizens currently living here legally? Or personally I favour a levy on people who voted leave for all the costs of Brexit, but I'm guessing that's not going to happen.

My UK passport cost £85. That was annoying.

I find it pretty disgusting. People moved here legitimately and are now being asked to pay, with no guarantee the government wont change the goal posts again later.

Comparing our governments attitude to that of Germany who are going out of their way to allow Brits to stay with as little disruption as possible makes me really sad.

Damn. I wrote the longest post im history and it disappeared

Lots of countries charge you every time that you enter or exit if you are a non resident Example Turkey, Jamaica, Cambodia. So £65 seems like a good deal to me !

How can you not take it personally? When you’ve lived here for decades and worked hard to contribute to the economy and felt like a resident, like those born here. Suddenly people are saying EU citizens are taking away their jobs and are taking advantage and should be stopped from entering the country. Then the government tells EU citizens have been jumping the queue and are second-rate citizens who need to prove they are worthy of staying here. And that they should be grateful they only have to pay £65 and can use a specific phone to apply so at least they won’t have to join that queue May was talking about. It’s ridiculous.