Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

[Rosepetalgeranium]

Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

It's widely known that Iphone apps take longer to be approved by Apple than Android Apps. The Iphone app will be along shortly!

Or personally I favour a levy on people who voted leave for all the costs of Brexit,

Now that's a good idea ...

Is this the best Britain offers to people, whether native born or foreign now? Not to be treated as absolute dirt? Really? And you think this is good?

Personally, no, I think it's shit. But, as a democratic society, we have chosen this. This is what we as a society deserve.

Until more people engage with democracy - by which I mean influence the type of people we get to vote for by joining political parties and standing for election themselves - then we will continue to be faced with variations of the establishment, wearing a variety of different coloured rosettes.

It's easy to whinge about those that represent us, saying that they don't reflect our own views; nothing will change unless those who whinge actually take action.

Using your 'home town' analogy - if I could have taken a test to give me 'residency' of the town I have lived in for the last 20 years, but chose not to, and now the Council are introducing surcharges for residents who were not born here or who have not taken the test, then it's my fault really isn't it? I had the chance to take the residency test, but chose not to
Ex ept that this not what I was told but the opposite. I was told I DIDN'T need to do anything as I had gained the same rights as residents. When they changed thosextlrules, they didn't inform anyone. Now they are saying I have to pay £65vand distinguish myself from otjer residents. If I'd had to pay £65 when I first moved in, I would have had no issue with it.

A number of posters are completely missing the point. It's nothing to do with the £65 per se. It's nothing to do with having to pay anything, it's to do with applying changes we were told were not required because the UK proided itself with his attitude to welcoming other nationals. I chose to come in this country because of its culture and openmindess. I am now finding that the government is considering me like pariah because just above 50% of the country voted for something they didn't understand, many of who would now voted differently if they knew. Its political games targeting the likes of me.

I am still happy to live here because thankfully, I still feel treated just the same by most people. After all the only think that distinguish me to my British friends, neighbours, co-worker is my accent. Everything else and no-one would know. However, if it gets worse, it won't encourage me to go for British nationality, on the opposite, I'll rekindle my nationality of birth.

Taking that as criticism: I vote. I have joined political parties in the past. I consider myself pretty much betrayed by them. I do not come from money or a powerful family. This is my Britain: an exploitative shithole dump with virtually no law.

(that was to coldheart btw)

OMG people calm down. In the 90s when I arrived here from New Zealand I had to have £2000 and pay £50 for a working holiday visa just to get in. Then pay again for visa extensions, even though I had been paying tax etc. I don't think £65 is much at all. Would be better if it wasn't necessary in the first place I agree.

swing unless you were told that you had secured British Citizenship purely by moving here, then you weren't given ALL the same rights. Yes, at the time, you were treated no less favourably than a British Citizen, but the laws of the land meant that at any time, you could be treated differently, and, due to the decision to leave the EU, that situation has arisen.

I'm not saying it right that your trust has been broken, but unfortunately, you placed your future here in the hands of the voting public.

My husband is an EU national. This doesn't seem unreasonable.

When I studied in another EU country I had all sorts of of administrative hurdles to cross, including registering where I lived and having a stamp put in my passport, and producing a certificate of good conduct from the police that doesn't even exist in this country. (luckily my local force wrote something bland on a sheet of paper and then stamped it with every official stamp on their desk for good measure! 😄).

Why are some people so keen to get righteously indignant on behalf of others who aren't necessarily complaining?

I voted and I had my reasons for voting. Please don't assume that voters didn't know what they voted for !

I vote. I have joined political parties in the past. I consider myself pretty much betrayed by them. I do not come from money or a powerful family

Voting alone is not enough. Rich and powerful men run this country (and always have) because we let them.

If enough people joined parties, got involved, influenced the outcome of selections, and stood as candidates themselves, then the rich would no longer be powerful.

Absolutely disgusting relating this to the holocaust.

swing unless you were told that you had secured British Citizenship purely by moving here, then you weren't given ALL the same rights
I was given the same rights as a RESIDENT. I never expected the same right as a citizen. If I'd wanted that, I'd applied for British nationality. I now don't have the same right as a resident, it's been revoked.

To prevent scaremongering, from the Website:
Who does not need to apply
You do not need to apply if:

you’re an Irish citizen
you have indefinite leave to enter the UK
you have indefinite leave to remain in the UK
Your family members from outside either the UK or Ireland will still need to apply even if you do not need to.

coldheart how old are you out of interest? Do keep trying. But I'm done with it.

swing unless you were told that you had secured British Citizenship purely by moving here, then you weren't given ALL the same rights
I'm not disputing that and indeed, it is the same for everyone. I had other laws impa ting on me in ways I didn't like. This feels different though as I'm expected to give the same as others but then get treated differently. It suddenly turns the UK from a place that welcomed me to a place I should feel grateful to be allowed to live in. I am grateful to be here, but I also think the UK should be grateful to have me as I contributed much much more than I have and will ever take back.

I know that most UK workers who were high contributers who have left the country, and that includes a number of EU healthcare consultants left for this reason. You want to feel valued by your nation when you give a lot to it.

I’m behind on this topic, is it just EU nationals or migrants from other countries too?

It's new rules and making the people that keep the NHS running and pay more in tax than they take feel unwelcome and its disgusting.
The NHS Trust I work for is paying the £65 fee for any EU staff who want to apply for settled status and I strongly suspect other trusts will follow suit.
It’s the right thing for the Trust to do but it angers me the Trust has to spend money they don’t have just to keep their highly valued staff because of this stupid policy.

dangermousessidekick Not that it's relevant but I'm in my late 40's - and two years ago, decided to stop whinging and do something, so since then I have stood for election and am active politically.

I can see for myself how things could change, if only more people like me were prepared to step up and get involved in this way. As it is, I'm currently a minority voice within the system. Won't stop me trying though - I'm too old and cynical to care what the misogynistic upper classes of me.

I am grateful to be here, but I also think the UK should be grateful to have me

And that is what has changed - or at least, is no longer a secret. It's fairly clear that a significant proportion of the population don't feel grateful for your contribution, and that is reflected in the current proposals of Government.

you have indefinite leave to remain in the UK
To clarify, when people like me entered the country and remained, we were told that we had gained this right. Ie. We HAD indefinite lead to remain status. INDEFINITE being the key word and therefore we didn't need to do anything.

What they are saying now is that you needed to have REGISITERED by 2000 to have gained this kept this right that was supposed to be indefinite to now be considered to have had gained that right automatically except they never bothered to inform EU workers of this so very few did.

There is a big difference between someone whose been residing in the UK for 3 or 4 years and someone who has for 20 + years, who hardly remembers living in the country they were born in, some won't even speak the language, or even ever gone to their country of nationality yet are being told that unless they pay £65, they could risk having to move there NOT go back!

swingofthings
Some of us are still grateful to have you here. This policy is wrong.

@planespotting, I am glad you and your children have dual nationality. So sad it has been taken away for most due to the Leave vote.

I wonder when all these amazing eu nationals where in my local infirmary, we have either English plus some Thai nurses the last wards I was on are full of either English , Indian, Canadian or Egyptian, to be fair there was a Czech consultant but he went back home but comes over every 3 months or so to work privately and as a nhs locum for a month or so and then goes back home again.

My dm who worked from the age of 20 till in her 70s for the nhs used to het a British passport until 1998 when it was decided she wasn’t British enough, I can’t remember any angst for her but then again she was only Irish

Thanks Gamer and coldheart. I do still feel very welcome by individuals, and I know that a large proportion of those who voted leave didn't do so on the basis of not making people like me who has lived and worked in this country for over 20 years feel unwelcome.

Its not until something like this comes up that I suddenly feel different but I do have to remember that it is not a view share by the majority. I do love the UK in many ways and I do still feel more British than anything else!