Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

[Rosepetalgeranium]

Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

If the existing 3million don’t have to register at all quiet rebel then how could you distinguish between them and someone who enters from an EU country after Brexit? Personally I wouldn’t have left or cancelled free movement, but if you’re going to cancel free movement going forward but retain it for people who were here earlier then you need a way for them to prove it

Fuckyousanta
About 5 years ago our hospital recruited a large number of nurses from Portugal because we couldn’t find enough qualified nurses to employ from the UK. I would imagine we’re not unique to have done so given the poor take up of nursing degrees in this country.
Anyway as I said earlier the hospitals that I work at have taken the decision to pay the £65 for any EU staff who want to apply. I would imagine most public services who rely on EU staff will do the same.

To the OP.

It is not fair at all. Disrespectful too, for the years of work you have put in.

As you know, most of us by now are against leaving the EU, not that or helps you.

This makes me so mad. I work in the care sector and it would not function without its many workers born elsewhere. To make people pay to look after OUR people for us? Disgusting!

We have to pay for ID cards in Belgium and had to prove we could live here. What is so different about having to pay £65 as a one off, as opposed to x euros for the cost of an ID card every few years?

if you’re going to cancel free movement going forward but retain it for people who were here earlier then you need a way for them to prove it

Well, quite. Either you lose the historical benefits afforded to you as a citizen of another country, or you agree to a system that protects those benefits because you moved here before the new system was implemented.

Good question hello, but it goes back to the way government keeps track of who's here (Or rather does not keep track). I would have preferred to have a system whereby I register on arrival, that way it have been
clear; it shouldn't be my problem that the home office didn't get organised. As it is now, I had to dig up tons of documents to apply for a permanent residence card to prove my right to be here.
As I don't fancy doing it ever again, I've also gone the whole hog and naturalised.

@MaMisled

"To make people pay to look after OUR people for us? "

For free?

That's a false equivalence. It's a job. With a salary.

This makes me so mad. I work in the care sector and it would not function without its many workers born elsewhere. To make people pay to look after OUR people for us? Disgusting!

So what are you going to do about it, mamisled? Society needs people like you to engage with democracy, get involved, and bring about change from within. Join a political party, get involved in candidate selection, oust the existing establishment by standing as a candidate yourself; only then will people have the chance to select a democratic representative who reflects the views of the majority,

I work in a team of NHS based research staff. 45% of us are EU nationals. We have a level of expertise that is not quickly or easily replaced, and the majority of us are planning to leave in the short to medium term. The government claims it wants to give all immigrants equal rights - and yep, I'm fine with that. The problem is that the rights this government wants to give are pretty crap - the world's finest talent will not come to a country where they know from the off they will never be allowed to settle permanently, where they'll have to be double taxed by paying taxes and the NHS levy, where they won't be able to raise their families. The finest talent will go to countries where immigrants are valued and welcomed.

The UK will get the second- and third-rate and the UK will end up being a second- or third-rate country. It's sad, it's stupid, it's a waste of a country.

I wonder how British people living in the Eu are going to be treated after

Funny how Tm wanted to keep free movement for Eu citizens already living and working here but the Eu didn’t want on the other side

I had to register for a temporary ID card while living in France. All the rest of Europe have ID cards. I don’t understand why the British don’t have ID cards. It would make life a lot easier.
65 quid is steep though.

Yes iirc the initial offer from the UK was rebuffed?

Yes pointythings but it won't sink in until it's happened and we are some way down the slide. The UK will be prosperous and welcoming again I'm sure but it's about to take a very long detour.

@evil
Wrong, it's the other way around.
The EU offered to keep the rights for Brits unconditionally for the rest of their lives but TM didn't want to grant the same for EU citizens.

You see, it would have been unacceptably generous.

Link here:
www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwje1oSXocXfAhUILBoKHa9rBlIQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2F2017%2Fjun%2F22%2Ftheresa-may-match-eu-offer-free-movement-britons-europe&psig=AOvVaw07002fUW8KFC33z9901Lof&ust=1546180454037702

If you think £65 is bad, have a look at the plans Spain and France have to register UK citizens in their countries. £65 is not a lot of money to secure your rights here.

We have to pay for ID cards in Belgium and had to prove we could live here. What is so different about having to pay £65 as a one off, as opposed to x euros for the cost of an ID card every few years?

Because everybody in Belgium pays it, not just foreign nationals, also, will it be a one off? given the list of broken promises in regard to brexit, that is not certain at all.

As a PP has said, there is little point having this if it leaves us even more short of key healthcare staff & as you should know Scary, Cornwall CC is desperate for nursing home healthcare staff

a far more pragmatic policy would have been to have given these out free for the first 2 years, then introduce a charge, given the amount of money thrown about now a days on brexit, i'm sure the Gov could afford it.

Considering it’s constantly said that leave was full of lies I’m struggling with why EU nationals living here decided to make no chances on the leave promises.

Eu nationals could live in eu countries freely. The uk will no longer be in the Eu of course things where going to change. Sensible people sorted their paperwork when the result was in anyone who’s waited till now well £65 is cheap for blindly believing the leave campaign.

@VentingDaughter setasProfile, what's the relevance of improving salaries? We have more EU citizens from "old" EU countries such as Spain and France than from the newer ones in the NHS, particularly amongst doctors, and they can certainly earn at least as much in their own countries as they can here without having to jump through all the hoops associated in tranferring between EU and non-EU countries

You must have no clue of what the salaries in Spain are.

Compare the minimum wage in Spain and France

Spanish will be €4.8 per hour

Yes it is cheap chillipizza. A lot less than the 2k dh forked out when the result came in.

As people saying they don’t understand why foreigners would live here for years and not get citizenship. That’s the whole point of the EU. You don’t need to. Besides some EU countries don’t even allow dual nationality and some Brits living in those countries have chosen to no longer be Brits because of it.

So sorry that people are feeling distressed and unwelcome because of this. Not in my name, or that of many others. I'm embarrassed to be British.

I manage a fairly large team, and have seen the stress this has caused them (5 from a team of 21 are impacted). It's not the money - in fact the organisation we work for is picking up these fees for all staff in this position.

It's how it makes them feel.

The point is also that it is a fairly easy way of creating a register of EU migrants. Everyone who registers for this scheme can be easily added to the government’s list.

Just in case they need to find them all for one reason or another at a later date.

For whatever reason.

Not even migrants because children of people originally from EU countries have to register and pay as well.

So it’s a register if anyone of EU origin or extraction in the U.K. I wonder why they need this. I would be suspicious about why the charge is so low- essentially just clerical. It would suggest that what is more important is the data they are getting from the process.