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Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

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Rosepetalgeranium · 29/12/2018 08:30

Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

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OftenHangry · 02/01/2019 22:08

I think it's inappropriate to claim that the process is simple or straightforward until we know how it handles these cases and what percentage of applicants experience difficulty.

No one is saying it's simple or straightforward. I said it looks simplER than how it was before. I don't know if you ever did PR or RC application but we did number of times (there were issues not from our or HO sides, it was the delivery even MP got involved) and collecting all the evidence, going through the giant form figuring out what applied in my DH's case as his is not straightforward too and be 6 months, in one case 11, without IDs is a hell.
So yes, I dare to say this process looks simplER.

planespotting · 04/01/2019 07:59

@ItsQuietTime please read the thread

planespotting · 04/01/2019 08:00

Immigrants immigrate for personal gain. There’s no reason why they shouldn’t be charged for the privilege of living here.
I rest my case

nicoala1 · 04/01/2019 23:42

Just wondered how those who have moved for work or retirement to another EU country will be treated when the s hits the F?

nicoala1 · 04/01/2019 23:47

planespotting.

The issue is, probably more people immigrate illegally or under refugee rules than those who want to live, work, and contribute here legitimately.

Who should we target now?

Mistigri · 05/01/2019 07:53

probably more people immigrate illegally or under refugee rules than those who want to live, work, and contribute here legitimately.

What????!!!!!

Obviously complete and utter rubbish.

swingofthings · 05/01/2019 07:56

probably more people immigrate illegally or under refugee rules than those who want to live, work, and contribute here legitimately
If you read the media, that's what you'll end up believing, the reality is miles apart. You don't hear about those who do work and pay taxes. You might not ever know they are legal immigrants.

Dutch1e · 05/01/2019 10:39

probably more people immigrate illegally or under refugee rules than those who want to live, work, and contribute here legitimately

Probably. Who would notice 10 million people sneaking in under lorries, bet it happens all the time Hmm

pointythings · 05/01/2019 13:57

nicoala - evidence for your inflammatory and horribly racist statement, please.

Also, Italy has just offered its British residents right to remain even in the event of a No Deal. The EU's offer in 2017 for British immigrants in the EU was far more generous than anything the UK has offered. And the UK chose not to reciprocate that 2017 offer because it wanted to use us as hostages. So your question about how other EU countries will treat their British immigrants is most likely answered simply thus: A hell of a lot better than the UK will treat its EU nationals.

cherin · 09/01/2019 10:06

The issue is, probably more people immigrate illegally or under refugee rules than those who want to live, work, and contribute here legitimately.

Can we please stop mixing up refugees and immigrants???
People migrate for all sorts of reason, for work, for love, for adventure, and the reasons change...you might migrate for work and think you’ll stay 6months and find the love of your life.
I migrated for work (I was actually poached by U.K. recruiter, so I didn’t skip any queue, just so you know) with already a toddler in tow, and settled and I don’t regret a thing, but ill admit it was a decision based on the hope we’d have a better life here. More opportunities for me to be respected in my work, trilingual upbringing in open minded setting for my kids. From that point of view, yes I profited from immigrating. I also contribute 40% of my income to the state,eh...
BUT
The attitude in the press and in people’s language about refugees though is DESPICABLE. It seems to me half of the British conservatives have no idea what a refugeee is!
Refugee status is governed by international conventions and there are rules. I might agree with you that the rules to establish applicability, or the speed at which requests are processed can be improved and bla bla bla. But we are, you all are, a freaking rich and democratic country, you respect and promote and defend the right of people to be free of oppression for political, religious, sexual or enthical reasons. This is a UNIVERSAL right, it doesn’t apply to brits or westerners only. As such, if someone is oppressed in their country for reasons that make no sense to our principles, and if they come to us for help, we have a moral duty to do it! Stop referring to refugees as if it was a bunch of scammers trying to bypass immigration rules! The only few refugees I know in person are wonderful, well educated people, that work, give back to the community, and are an enrichment to this country.
No Brexit on the planet will erase your responsibility to defend values of acceptance of universal rights, and therefore your obligation to accept refugees and asylum seekers, within the framework of international law.
You’ll not have to deal with the EU in respect to rules and quotas, but the UN and more generally the international community will judge us, even if your conscience doesn’t.
Vent over.

DGRossetti · 09/01/2019 10:15

It seems to me half of the British conservatives have no idea what a refugeee is!

It seems like that, because it is that - nothing really deep about it. Britain has never ever had a situation where hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced with only the shoes on their feet and shirts on their back. Unlike a lot of Europeans who see a story about refugees fleeing somewhere and say to each other "That's what my grandparents lived though when the Nazis invaded/retreated", it's just pictures and light to some others.

Xenia · 09/01/2019 11:30

I am not sure we have never had big immigration before now though. In 1851 18% of Liverpool's population was Irish born.
in the 5 months at the start of 1847 300,000 Irish (mostly starving) arrived in Liverpool.
In 1847 the English deported 15,000 Irish back to Ireland.

cherin · 09/01/2019 11:52

But that’s partially the point! The U.K. has a long and fairly decent tradition of accepting refugees, if it wasn’t for the Huguenots fleeing persecution from France and finding refuge in the U.K. there would not be the textile history of the midlands (or the Courtauld institute ;-) we’re talking about 300 years ago and tens of thousands of people... so this different attitude now is baffling.

Xenia · 09/01/2019 17:30

Although the 15,000 the British shipped back might not agree we have always been that keen on large numbers coming in (in those days it was GB and I - one country so they were not technically immigrants but that doesn't really change things). However I agree with you that on the whole we have accepted people better than many other countries.

Countries tend to have these problems when wages don't go up and there is a shortage of money. It was the same in the 1930s in the UK and in Germany after we hammered them in the treaty after WWI. we have had wage stagnation for a long while in the UK for many people and drops in living standards which always tends to cause problems in countries.

cherin · 10/01/2019 09:16

That’s not the same thing, though, sorry, because again you’re mixing economic migrants with refugees. I understand a country wants to have control of the number and skills of people that migrate for work. To be clear: I don’t agree at all with the retorics of the discussion in this Brexit context. But let’s say I understand that a country might feel this need. How I’d go about it is a different matter.
That does not justify clumping the refugees in the same category as economic migrants and refusing to take them in. Which is what, by large, this government has been doing, and I think it’s also deliberately sending messages to reinforce the wrong idea that immigrants and refugees are the same thing

planespotting · 20/01/2019 08:27

Updates
My employer is paying the fee for the EU nationals they employ Smile
I checked our internal news today as a friend told me her employer was doing it and mine is too SmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmile

We work in Science, so many scientists there are EU 😀

cherin · 21/01/2019 18:39

Update: no need to pay 65£ anymore

planespotting · 21/01/2019 18:40

@cherin really? Can you send link please?

cherin · 21/01/2019 18:43

Brexit: Theresa May scraps £65 fee for EU citizens - BBC News

planespotting · 21/01/2019 18:43

Oh the Government website is not updated then!
www.gov.uk/uk-residence-eu-citizens/apply

cherin · 21/01/2019 18:44

Ooopps sorry it’s not a link but she announced it an hour or so ago in Parliament

planespotting · 21/01/2019 18:44

Ahhh cool thanks @cherin Smile

cherin · 21/01/2019 18:44

They’ll have to refund at least 20.000 people which means 1.3m£

cherin · 21/01/2019 18:46

We would have paid it too to our employees (and I was lobbying to pay also for spouses and kids)
It doesn’t mean that people won’t have to go through the registration, uh

cherin · 21/01/2019 18:52

It makes you wonder if that’s a declaration she decided to make on the spot without telling the home office first ;-)