Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

[Rosepetalgeranium]

Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

Times are hard for everyone
And will be a lot more so when residential home will struggle even more to get healthcare workers. I guess when homes will have to close in London and the SE, proud British residents will be told they have no choice but to move in a new home 100s miles away from what they know and where their family resides, where life is cheaper and British health are assistants can be found.

@silvercuckoo I am not saying there are not issues there, but this is for another thread.
You simply can't compare both to justify that £65 is next to nothing.

@AnnaMagnani 😢 I can't even 💙

My husband already has Indefinite Leave to Remain from nearly 20 years ago. So for him reapplying to be resident is pretty galling, because he already has done this. However, we'll suck it up.

Many many people won't apply though, because they can't access Android, not very good at spelling or reading/literacy issues, can't be bothered, don't have the right documents, have cognitive or other health issues which make it hard to do.

It's very unlikely compulsory registration of all EU foreign nationals will actually occur. That's the biggest problem.

£65 is fuck all and very low bar in comparison to other countries, say America for example
I lived and worked in the States and I knew exactly what I was expecting. When I loved to the UK, it was like coming home because I didn't need to go through all immigration troubles.

In 2003, I was told that I had gained resident status rights and that this could not be taken away. It was.

The two are not comparable in any way.

My DM can't go through a citizenship test now

She won't have to. There are age limitations.

I've just got citizenship and I had to do the test for that, but not for LTR. That's just a form and I got that two years ago with no tests involved

swing so the problem is that the rules changed?

Rules change all the time. It’s a slap in the face when people moan about a paltry sum like that when some of us are shelling out thousands.

Has it been mentioned that the Home Office have stated that all the data arising from the settlement scheme may be shared with both public and private sector organisations in both the U.K. and overseas?

@planespotting thank-you.

I think there is going to be a massive crisis like Windrush when a load of friendless or dementia suffering elderly EU citizens suddenly discover they aren't entitled to NHS care having not registered.

Many many people won't apply though, because they can't access Android, not very good at spelling or reading/literacy issues, can't be bothered, don't have the right documents, have cognitive or other health issues which make it hard to do.

And yet, those people had a level of literacy that facilitated them leaving their home country, and could be bothered to do so at the time - what has changed since they made the UK their home?

Even in cases of old age/frailty, difficulties now will be partly a consequence of misplaced trust earlier in life - not securing citizenship, not renewing passports from home countries, relying on the rules staying the same.

I'm in one of those Eu countries which despite EU rules regarding EU nationals has always done what the fuck it wants.
I have had to join queues in yards at police stations to apply for a document which cannot be refused (I'm British, ie EU citizen) and has no expiry. Yet I have to do it. Because every five years it has to be renewed.
Also every 5 years I get called to present myself at the local town hall for registration as a foreigner.
I can't vote, either here or in the UK and pay 40% taxes.
So to the poster wondering if other EU countries treat Brits etc the same as Britain is planning on treating EU citizens, then you're a bit late to the party tbh.
I'm a fervent remainer, I think a united Europe can only ever be a force for good, but the scaremongering on both sides is getting ridiculous. Only the other day a fellow Brit here posted another Chicken Licken sky falling in article from the ex pat blogs about how we'd all risk deportation in March. The same day the govt here announced that nothing, other than the petty bureaucracy we already face daily, is going to change.

Ok @Birdsgottafly how is your sentence

, my post was in response to the posters who claim that British Born people contribute nothing to the UK.

Equivalent to this:

Espically as EU immigrants contribute more to the economy than British born people!" "

It is not.

You decided to point out that "people keeping everyone safe all had British accents" which is a pretty bad thing to say. And I explained that my DH is one one those, and he is married to me

I can't understand how they can get themselves worked up about it when it causes no problems at all!
Yes but in this case, it changes for a very specific group of people who were told they had gain the same rights as others.

I think my illustration of charging a council tax fee to people who were born in the town they live in, even if they have done so for most of their lives is the closest to explaining how it feels.

Can you honestly say that you wouldn't be outraged if you got a letter tomorrow telling you to pay £65 for the right to remain in your house and street when none of you neighbour have to pay? After all, rules can change any time, including rules made by councils.

In the end, of course I will pay if I have no choice but whereas until now I was proud to say I felt British in my heart despite my passport, I'm not sure I will continue to feel the same.

for those of you saying it is Ok - think: we are finding increasingly hard to get skilled workers for lower paid jobs which we have been reliant on eu - in the NHS this includes not only the medial & allied medical jobs but also on allied technical skills such as electronics etc where we are unable to get enough staff. Many people are unaware of the employment system (NHS)- they advertise for jobs "internally" (within the NHS) first, than within the UK & than overseas. In agriculture - farmers had major difficulty getting seasonable workers before they were able to use eu/Europeans to help. The plans for these workers who have lived here, worked here. paid tax here have already put people off staying & many have left or are planning to leave. The plans to only allow people who earn £30 thousand means that many of the hidden essential workers we have relied on will not be allowed entry -

As a remainer and a non-EU immigrant, I think this situation was always completely inevitable. If you’re going to change the system to stop EU citizens having priority access to the UK in the future (and vice versa) while also protecting the rights to reside and work of existing UK residents from EU states, then the latter group need to obtain proof of status. You can argue about costs, and hurdles and admin, but the basic process of existing residents from the EU having to register was always inescapable. The system couldn’t possibly function otherwise.

Swing

My point is it’s a piece of piss in this country in comparison to others. £65 is absolutely sweet fa in return for the many benefits.
My family live in the states. Have done for over 30 years. To try to emigrate here in the UK as opposed to there is a completely different ball game.

On the behalf of every logical thinking person in the UK that hate this brexshit bollocks..... I apologise.

#exitbrexit

£65 is absolutely sweet fa in return for the many benefits

What benefits?

The benefits are not being treated like a non-EU migrant.

And as many people from the Windrush will tell you, that’s not a trivial benefit.

swing. You say you had the same rights as British citizens. But, if I've read your post correctly, you don't have citizenship. In British law, that carries significant weight.

And, without that, there was always a risk that you would face changes to the rules which would impact on you negatively.

Using your 'home town' analogy - if I could have taken a test to give me 'residency' of the town I have lived in for the last 20 years, but chose not to, and now the Council are introducing surcharges for residents who were not born here or who have not taken the test, then it's my fault really isn't it? I had the chance to take the residency test, but chose not to.

Someone on here a couple of weeks ago in a thread said they had to put aside a million dollars to be able to live in the USA.

DP's DSis and BIL have funds equivalent to Au$5m so they can go and live in Oz with the kids. But that's very different: they haven't lived there for most of their adult lives, married Australian citizens, worked, paid taxes, contributed to the economy and generally been upstanding citizens (fuck, they haven't even paid taxes in the UK, the bludging bastards).

Do you expect people to be grateful for this?

Is this the best Britain offers to people, whether native born or foreign now? Not to be treated as absolute dirt? Really? And you think this is good?

I am not saying there are not issues there, but this is for another thread. You simply can't compare both to justify that £65 is next to nothing.
I cannot get wound up about the £65 fee, to be honest. It does feel unfair - I agree, but it is not a big issue as such.
The bigger problem is that it is almost inevitable that there will be issues for people who do not fit a simple "5 years - single employer - single spouse - single address" mould, who will then have to revert to some sort of a long and expensive legal process. My immigration solicitor is now my good friend, and she won't touch the new "settled status" route, as she predicts it to be a disaster and does not feel she will be able to look her clients in the eye, not even to mention her reputation suffering from "failed" cases.

Many people have been here 20,30 40 years- and yes, some of them will be more cognitively impaired than when they arrived, or dependent on others. EU country migrants include whole families, but there will be many who fall outside the system, being disabled, having family left and them left behind, having dementia or even just a bit of cognitive decline. Poor literacy, poor access, poor mental health- all of the reasons UC is a nightmare for some people without access to a computer or having mental health difficulties, this will be replicated!

If you are reasonably literate, reasonably young then there's no issue, I see that.