Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

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Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

StableGenius, free education was promised before the 2010 election.

Who doesn't the government lie to? They said Austerity wouldn't effect the disabled or vulnerable. The fist immediate cut in my City was to after-school provision for SEN children and those in the most deprived and highest gun/drug crime area.

I voted remain and have lived in a few Eu countries. I really think you need to pick your jaw up off the floor on this one. I had to get residency cards / permits in every country. Ironically this is just bringing things in line with a lot of Eu countries.

I can’t remember how it was done on my more recent residency in France. However when I lived in France the 90’s I had to work out how to pay for it and traipse round buying special stamps to pay for mine. It was a right faff. Far more difficult than what the government is proposing.

I can't get aerated at this.

I've lived and worked abroad and frankly it sounds quite a low bar.

on the grounds that I did not provide my ex-husbands death certificate. I was quite puzzled by this as at no point have I stated that he is dead - actually to the best of my knowledge he was quite well, and I included a divorce certificate with the application pack.
Sorry but

I'm an EU national and whilst being charged does feel like a slap in the face, I'll pay - but I have concerns:

• All EU 'forriners' will end up in a database. And I don't trust the UK government not to mess us about once they have our details.
• Our £65 does not get us an actual physical card that we can show when accessing NHS care, rented accommodation and jobs. We have to pay the money into a black hole and hope that the underlying database will be secure, complete and accurate. I work in NHS IT and therefore have no such faith.

I am only staying because my DDs are at a crucial stage in their education. Once we are done with that, we plan to leave, using our lovely burgundy passports to settle in any one of 27 other countries.

I am hugely disappointed in the UK and its people.

Racecardriver whilst what you say is very true, the end result of this will be EU nationals wont come to the UK and it's just another reason to return home for those already here, esp the skilled ones, who can work anywhere in the EU for free.
An unintended consequence of this may be european countries will reciprocate.
It is perfectly ok to charge £65 for new EU arrivals but existing eu citizens living here? many in low paid but essential work? no.

I ve good memory and none of this was promised in the 2016 referendum, indeed the exact opposite.
TBH most what was promised in 2016 seems to have been quietly forgotten.

So don't believe a word anyone says. A fine maxim to live by.

stablegenius. More of a pledge than a promise, then. Never written into law, and certainly not guaranteed at the point at which EU migrants made the decision to settle here.

I realise I sound brutal, but a lot of assumptions have been made by people who chose to relocate here, and they and their children, are now facing the consequences of what has turned out to be misplaced trust.

For those who don't think Brexit will have an issue on the NHS, you might want to read this:
www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/articles/brexit-implications-health-social-care

Part of the reason we ended up with a leave vote was the non application by UK governments ofvailable EU rules to migrants in order to be what? Look kind? It all backfired horribly.

All those saying it’s only £65 you pay more to immigrate to other countries are missing the point and will most likely be first to complain when the effect of leaving the EU starts to hit us financially.
All those idiots who voted us out are to blame for this mess.

@ohreallyohreallyoh I hope UK nationals in Europe are experiencing similar inconveniences.
The majority of the UK nationals in my country are retired and enjoying the sun
And the free healthcare which I am not sure how it will affect them 🤔

If you can afford an iPhone you can afford 65 quid.

The wide variety of views on this thread, just go to show how complex this issue is.

Yes but Race they won’t earn enough (£30k) to be allowed in under May’s new immigration policy.

The conflation of Non-EU immigration costs and this new policy is MISSING THE POINT!!

This cost is being demanded of every EU citizen living in the U.K. whether they’ve lived here 50 years or 5 minutes. It’s asking people who moved here including those who moved here pre-freedom of movement, pre-EU to apply to be allowed to stay and pay for the privilege of staying in their own homes with their families.

it isn’t the same at all

The money is not the main issue I don't think, I think it is the fact that people are now being told to apply (not register) so there is a chance of rejection even though during the campaign EU Citizens were told their status would stay the same.

Criminality is also mentioned - does that mean someone who did a crime (no matter how small) could be rejected despite their whole family living here and all their friends being here?

planespotting, my post was in response to the posters who claim that British Born people contribute nothing to the UK.

London and the South might need cheap labour, but the North doesn't. We need a benefit system that recognises that people can't work without a benefit top-up. Not critism because we can't take up paid work.

Consultants etc are different, we have a higher skills swap system, although you'd be hard pushed to believe that we have decent Doctors who are British, according to posters on here.

The issues with the App, mirror those who have had to claim UC online, there wasn't the outrage over that.

The cuts to Social Care and Charity budgets have meant that people with MH/LDs have had a terrible time claiming what they are entitled to, many have fell through the gaps and added to the homeless numbers.

Times are hard for everyone.

@Birdsgottafly planespotting, my post was in response to the posters who claim that British Born people contribute nothing to the UK.
Please show me this post because I have not seen this anywhere on this thread.
Literally copy and paste please

Please stop comparing these scenarios 🤦🏻‍♀️
It is not as different as it sounds. Non-EU nationals face changing requirements at each visa renewal, and fees increase are more material than £65.
It costed £12K for my friend to obtain ILR for his family (himself, wife and three children). There is also no option now to extend a work visa beyond 5 years' time (where's the logic in that, tell me?), you should pay a lump sum for ILR or go back home. Both himself and his wife are in "shortage" occupations and both are at PhD level, were recruited abroad by a specialist recruitment task force, and their visas were around £400 at that time.

I am so upset by this.

My DM has been here 60 years, married a Brit, now a widow, British children, doesn't even have a passport from her country anymore, is frail and will be difficult for her to travel to the embassy to get one.

She's worked in the NHS her whole life, has the ruined spine from all the heavy lifting to show for it and this is the thanks she gets. She'd even have had automatic citizenship through marriage but Theresa May changed the rules and we can't do it retrospectively. My DM can't go through a citizenship test now - she's elderly, it's too much.

The Home Office ad of a bunch of millenials is offensive to the true picture of EU citizens in this country.

£65 is fuck all and very low bar in comparison to other countries, say America for example.

Mountain, molehill

during the campaign EU Citizens were told their status would stay the same.

That's irrelevant though, isn't it? All that was designed to do was to influence those people who were eligible to vote in the referendum.

The fact remains that when EU citizens moved to the UK there was no guarantee in law that they would be permitted to remain indefinitely under the same terms. It was, or should have been, a consideration when they made the decision to relocate - that the hospitality extended by the host country could be removed at any time by a future government.

beachysandy81, that's decided on a case by case basis, we don't always deport rapists or Isis supporting Families (no I don't read the DM, there's cases were it hasnt happened).

I know a Woman from Nigeria who went to prison, once for child neglect and again for a sham marriage. As soon as she was released she got pregnant by a British Man (originally from Nigeria) so her child would be a British Citizen and under the 'right to family life' she would be given LTR and recourse to public funds. This man is on his 10th baby, all to Nigerian Women, who are then allowed to remain.

There's loopholes for everything.

planespotting, three posts in: " Espically as EU immigrants contribute more to the economy than British born people!" "

Then when posters argued that, mire was said and links posted.

Now we have that our Social Care system will collapse alongside the NHS, perhaps down South, but Up North we are quite prepared to do min wage jobs.