Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

[Rosepetalgeranium]

Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

As a Place in the Sun tells people they can retire to Florida I'd be very careful of any advice they give out!

No, not all children - many are automatically eligible for British citizenship. It depends on their parents status at the time they were born.
Indeed, so I have two children. The eldest got automatic citizenship and a British passport. The second born 4 years later doesn't. Why? Because despite both being born in the UK to a British father, we never married. It didn't matter in 2000, it did in 2004. So even though I'd been here longer when the second was born, they also will have to be registered. If he'd been born 2 years later, it wouldn't have been an issue and they would have also had automatic British nationality, but between 2000 and 2006, only those with married parents were born British.

Thankfully, there is an option to request British nationity without any costs, but how idiotic is this. Frany embarrassing. It wasn't a nice experience to tell my second who's never left the UK and only speaks English that he wasn't British.

she didn't provide the necessary documents. She wasn't deported.

Exactly thenpoint people are making about those who have been here for decades struggling to find the right paperwork. They won’t have saved it because they never thought they’d need it.

Hi @coldheartwarmhands good question and in hindsight would have been a good idea. But I think we thought it was a question of law rather than goodwill - if you make an agreement that if you settle somewhere they will protect that, then you assume if there are any changes it will apply to people settling afterwards. No one a few years ago thought Brexit was a serious possibility. I guess life just got in the way and we didn't really think about it. Still can't believe it's come to this. I reckon the vast majority of long term settled EU migrants probably thought the same, likewise with British people retiring abroad I'm guessing a lot of them aren't official citizens of their new countries.

BollockstoBrexit Contravene Community Law you are joking aren't you? You do realise that other countries within the EU take no notice whatsoever of so-called Community Law and apply the laws of their own countries? Best of luck fighting them through the Courts on it, they'd laugh you out before you opened your mouth.

No, you don't officially need Private Health Insurance in Spain, if you had read my post correctly I said this: plus invariably take out Private Health Insurance, plus Dental Insurance and/or contribute to the State Health Scheme in some cases and I wasn't talking just about Spain.

What is the actual benefit of this scheme? What do we get from making it such a hostile environment for EU citizens?

I have to pay £75 fr a passport to visit anywhere in Europe ( free movement my arse).

£65 to live somewhere for the rest of you life is fuck all. It'll cost you more than that for an ID card in most european countries......

Oh jolly good, you are Spanish planespotting would you like to tell the Spanish Government that they are wrong to require retirees to provide proof of income and ability to support themselves, etc., etc?

No, you don't officially need Private Health Insurance in Spain
Why "officially" in italics @RedDogsBeg ?

Because I called you on it and of course you were talking about Spain

Not sure if anyone has already posted this but it is Apple that's preventing the app being used on iPhones. www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-46043668

Swing- look up sections 4f and 4g of the British nationality act- the "magic" date for children born to non married BC fathers was 2006 iirc so both your children should have the same status (and be entitled to registration as Brit Cits anyway)
I'm a bit rusty on the law, having left and become an expat myself but that sounds odd to me that your older child is British and not your younger one.

@RedDogsBeg I am also British and not sure why you think I have that kind of power
Let's look at your request
Oh jolly good, you are Spanish planespotting would you like to tell the Spanish Government that they are wrong to require retirees to provide proof of income and ability to support themselves, etc., etc?

why don't you tell them yourself since you are the one trying to retire there? I didn't get you to fight my British citizenship battle and now I have both passports.
I guess some people really didn't think about where they want to retire after Brexit

£65 to live somewhere for the rest of you life is fuck all. It'll cost you more than that for an ID card in most european countries......
And how many times will we need to write that it's not about the amount but the principle?

No BookMe, before 2000, any children born in the UK to a British father got automatic British nationality. This was reinstated in 2007, but in between you didn't. Trust me, I've done much research on it after the application for Brtish passport for DC2 was rejected. As said, he can apply for British Citizenship, but he is not and will never be British by birth. Despicable.

BollockstoBrexit Contravene Community Law you are joking aren't you? You do realise that other countries within the EU take no notice whatsoever of so-called Community Law and apply the laws of their own countries? Best of luck fighting them through the Courts on it, they'd laugh you out before you opened your mouth.

More auld nonsense. Migration issues that arise from contraventions of community law are not dealt with through the courts. They're dealt with via a specialist branch of the Commissions legal department. The longest they've ever taken to resolve a residency issue is 8 weeks. Usually it's around 2. In my DD's case it took them 24 hours.

@planespotting . This is a genuine question and I'm probably hijacking this thread but how do you go about being dual British and Spanish? I was under the impression the Spanish authorities did not allow this post 18 years of age.

@shouldbeironing100 it is allowed but you need to apply for it, and you have to do it I believe in the 2 years after you acquire another citizenship (and not for all countries either) . It doesn't apply to all cases but it can be done, if approved you then have to file your signature and paperwork back in your hometown I think within 6 months and then done.
Not sure if this will change in the future so I did it all after the referendum!

I believe it is one of those gaps in Spanish law where it is "not-not allowed"
You also need a ton of paperwork again 😫

@shouldbeironing100 I am a lot older than 18 😫😫😫

planespotting I am not trying to retire there and I don't need any citizenship battles fought for me, thanks. I'll reiterate again that I wasn't talking just about Spain, however, unlike many on this board who think that every other country in the EU just plays nice and all ex-pat Brits, whether retired or not, live free and easy and make zero contribution to the economy of the countries they are in I know that to be untrue.

You state you Spanish (and British) so you should be only too well aware of the vagaries of Spanish bureaucracy and the inexplicable implementation and ever changing nature of it, rules can and do change from one hour to the next and are implemented with a wonderful randomness.

There are many hoops and hurdles and requirements applied within many EU Countries and none of them are free of charge.

@RedDogsBeg You state you Spanish (and British) so you should be only too well aware of the vagaries of Spanish bureaucracy and the inexplicable implementation and ever changing nature of it, rules can and do change from one hour to the next and are implemented with a wonderful randomness.

Believe me I am! The less paperwork I have to do there the better!

But then again Spain is not leaving the EU, which is what the thread is about (I think)

with they also get a yellow star in the post to sow on they jacket?

That is one of the most disgraceful, offensive and unpleasant posts I’ve ever read on here. How dare you use a holocaust that killed millions to a government asking some people to do an administrative task?

I’m disgusted anybody could think it was appropriate to use a genocide in such a flippant way.

£65 to live somewhere for the rest of you life is fuck all. It'll cost you more than that for an ID card in most european countries......

Almost all ID cards are significantly cheaper, some less than 10 euros!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Economic_Area

but of course this uk scheme gives them nothing that they've not got already and they didn't vote for it either!

what happens in the now likely event of no-deal, will the scheme still be launched?

What reasons were given Swing (for your first child?)

Indeed planespotting Spain has more sense than to leave the EU, but the point being lost in this thread is that Britain is and rules will therefore change, I was pointing out that even in those countries within the EU (and staying) rules and requirements are not the same across all of them and charges have always applied even with FOM.

BookMe, reasons are born in 2004 to an EU mum not married to British dad, so at that time, my child born in the UK didn't meet the criteria for British nationality. They aren't currently eligible for a UK passport. Eldest born in 1999 in the UK, same father got it automatically. If I'd had another child in 2007, they too would be British.