Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

[Rosepetalgeranium]

Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

*has British children

There's also the little question of how long the £65 will last for ? Now it's clearly open season on foreigners, why not make it annual ?

Anyone who believes a single word the Home Office (motto: breaking the law since (there were laws to break) says is naive at best, and dim at worst.

I really don't want to think what a government held list of declared foreigners might be abused for in future.

Most children of EU citizens exercising treaty rights already have British citizenship.
And in fact, this was a rule that was misapplied for years when it first came in and ALL children born to EU citizens in the UK were automatically given British c/ship due to misunderstandings about what treaty rights meant.

And no 82 year old with a British wife and daughter is going to be deported anywhere.

@DGRossetti

This is what I worry about. This is to create a hostile environment for a certain type of EU migrant ( the ‘bad’ ones) but makes it hostile for everyone. Where does it stop. Once you start hating people for being different it becomes difficult to stop.

Again, the need to register EU citizens who have made an overall net contribution to our economy, communities, health service and schools worries me. Foreign citizen registers are historically not awesome.

And no 82 year old with a British wife and daughter is going to be deported anywhere.

And you know that how? There have already been cases of EU citizens applying for citizenship, being refused on a technicality (like having been a SAHM for a British earning spouse) and being threatened with deportation.

@BookMeOnTheSudExpress - and where do you take that certainty from? I think the Windrush generation could tell another story.

Most children of EU citizens exercising treaty rights already have British citizenship.

As did the children of the Windrush. Many had that revoked and had their passports seized. It's the same people responsible for that who are now rolling this out. Only a fool would trust them.

And no 82 year old with a British wife and daughter is going to be deported anywhere.

Tell that to the Windrush deportees.

EerieSilence I certainly hope that this will be reciprocated and for the elderly Brits living abroad, they will need to provide proof that they can afford living there, including paying for health care as they don't contribute to the economics of those countries.

Oh how I love this ridiculous, ill-informed anti-British claptrap. The elderly Brits living abroad as you put it were quite obviously given free properties, cars, utilities and food, never frequent any of the shops, bars, restaurants and if they do they must get it for free and those establishments obviously suck up the costs of staffing to ensure that don't they? None of them pay annual property taxes, local council taxes, car taxes, utility taxes, VAT on food or other purchases, none of them paid taxes when they bought their properties, nor will they pay taxes when they sell nor will they pay estate agents fees, none of them have mortgages or loans on which they pay interest and taxes, or bank accounts for which they pay fees, none of them keep local businesses in business by actually being there and using those businesses outside of peak tourist times either.

Also, do educate yourself before spouting nonsense, even under FOM several countries in Europe require EU citizens exercising the right of FOM to register, AND PAY FOR DOING SO, a number of them require Residency Cards to be renewed every 5 years AND PAID FOR. In the most popular countries for Brits to retire to they have to PROVE they have sufficient income to support themselves plus invariably take out Private Health Insurance, plus Dental Insurance and/or contribute to the State Health Scheme in some cases.

Worked in the relevant government dept.
Naturalisation is discretionary so the technicalities you mention are criteria not met. In all my years there nobody's application was refused as a non-earning spouse. Never was and never has been one of the criteria.

@AmIRightOrAMeringue Do you mind if I ask why your DH hasn't applied for citizenship up until now?

While I realise that many people assumed that immigration in Britain would "always stay the same", so didn't see the need, surely citizenship would have given your family, and others like yours, security over and above what was nothing more than the goodwill of successive governments?

• And no 82 year old with a British wife and daughter is going to be deported anywhere.

As long as they can prove it all

The hardest part of my citizenship application was providing 10 years of payslips

And that was the easiest way, because I was employed at all times. Otherwise it was bank statements to get stamped at the bank as I am paperless. 10 years of it.

And evidence of every single trip abroad for 10 years.

I also wonder how they are going to manage the scale of the deportations if this goes ahead because there will be thousands that fall outside of the criteria for settled status.

In the most popular countries for Brits to retire to they have to PROVE they have sufficient income to support themselves plus invariably take out Private Health Insurance, plus Dental Insurance and/or contribute to the State Health Scheme in some cases.
I don't think this is correct actually

a far more pragmatic policy would have been to have given these out free for the first 2 years, then introduce a charge, given the amount of money thrown about now a days on brexit, i'm sure the Gov could afford it.

I think perhaps everyone in the UK should have ID cards (which have a cost, and continue to do so each time they have to be renewed). If it's a system like Belgium, you then can't change your address at the bank without having informed the Gemeente first. Your ID card is needed at the hospital, the pharmacy (when buying paracetamol) etc etc. Everyone is on a database somewhere - and if you default on a bill, then technically, they know where you are.

Which two years should have been given out free? 2016-2018, or the first two years post 29/3/19, after free movement will have ended if we leave with no deal?

Incodentally, to the PP who said the EU made an offer re: UK citizens, afaik, they didn't, as it has to come from each country. We are waiting to see what Belgium will do, and what it will cost for the six months we will be here post March 2019.

So this never happens @BookMeOnTheSudExpress ?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/23/ex-mayor-of-ipswich-inga-lockington-denied-citizenship-after-almost-40-years-in-uk

planespotting You don't think it is correct, I know it is correct.

Planespotting you have to do the means of support, private health insurance, or mutuality in Belgium when you come here, and if you do not have the means to support yourself (if you are made redundant for example), then they will try their utmost to get rid of you.

Really?

Because this is the information about retiring to Spain. Point out to me the bit about having to pay for health care-

www.aplaceinthesun.com/spain/advice/living-overseas/retiring-to-spain

Ah, yes. Belgium. That well know retirement destination for the British.

Does everyone in Belgium pay for private healthcare?

MissSusan- I know that story. It's a famous one. She had her naturalisation application refused because she didn't provide the necessary documents. She wasn't deported.

Seriously fuck off with thinking this is one step away from immigrants wearing yellow stars.Conflating a £65 admin charge and the Jewish holocaust is disgusting, ridiculously overblown and makes you look stupid

This exactly

Also, do educate yourself before spouting nonsense, even under FOM several countries in Europe require EU citizens exercising the right of FOM to register, AND PAY FOR DOING SO, a number of them require Residency Cards to be renewed every 5 years AND PAID FOR. In the most popular countries for Brits to retire to they have to PROVE they have sufficient income to support themselves plus invariably take out Private Health Insurance, plus Dental Insurance and/or contribute to the State Health Scheme in some cases.

I wouldn't insist people educate themselves and then roll off a load of 'facts' which are untrue and contravene Community law.

@RedDogsBeg as @MissSusanScreams has pointed out you don't need private health insurance in Spain.
And Spanish people pay for the dentist anyway.
How do I know? I lived there for 18 years

Ah yes the definitive guide from A Place in The Sun let's rely on that shall we and not the experience and knowledge of those actually within those countries and what they have had to do/provide.

@RedDogsBeg Ah yes the definitive guide from A Place in The Sun let's rely on that shall we and not the experience and knowledge of those actually within those countries and what they have had to do/provide.
I am Spanish, your information is wrong
I am also British by the way