Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

[Rosepetalgeranium]

Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

If you can't afford £65, I don't think I want you living here anyway! What are you contributing??
Speechless! I guess that would apply to my friend who was born here, now a midwife student, you know helping British women give birth to their British child healthily. You know there's a huge lack of British midwives?

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A child born in 2004 and with continuous residence in the UK since could be registered as a British citizen (It's the MN1 form) but it does cost about £1000.

And the principle is that if I want to live in Belgium right now I have to pay for a fucking ID card
Yes, you'll be treated like all residents of Belgium. I'm only wishing to be treated the same as other British residents as I was told I was years ago.

I will pay the £65 if I gave no choice, I will not do so feeling that it is justified.

A child born in 2004 and with continuous residence in the UK since could be registered as a British citizen (It's the MN1 form) but it does cost about £1000
I know that and it is actually free as under 18yo. The point is that they shouldn't have to apply for citizenship, they should have been born British like those born before 2000 or after 2006.

Here's the link if you're interested

www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-to-register-child-under-18-as-british-citizen-form-mn1

I see what you mean.

Sorry quietrebel, my post wasn't meant to be defensive as it reads!

No worries! It is a sometimes frustrating topic!

I'm always astonished how some leavers (always protesting statistically verified facts that the vast majority are uninformed racists) can't be bothered to research citizenship law before spouting their uninformed racists bile.

Thank God I'm a dual Aussie myself so I can hide the deep shame of my British citizenship... unfortunately too embarrassing for me to be associated with posters like MagnificentSevenHeaven who clearly can't be bothered to look up "British values" either.

What pisses me off more than anything is having to pay £65 for the priviledge of losing some of my rights.

Many on here appear to be missing that crucial point. It's not a case of paying £65 and everything else stays the same. No, for a start I'd lose my right to vote in local elections. Therefore removing me from the voting register. Which will affect my ability to get a mortgage.

For starters.

The £65 I could live with. I've opted to pay £2000 for citizenship instead. How my child, who is an EU national, will be treated in the future, is a different story.

Did someone upthread just liken a simple admin system to the classification of Jews by the nazis? I have no words.

Deadbudgie
The classification of the jews in the early 1930s was an admin exercise though wasn't it? that's how it was sold to the German population, the propaganda started long before the killing....

The language used by this PP below is distasteful and if you replaced £65 with 65DM wouldnt be out of place in 1930s Germany.
If you can't afford £65, I don't think I want you living here anyway! What are you contributing?

No one is suggesting that the UK wants to exterminate EU citizens but it is very clear they/we don't want them here at all, which is why they are leaving in droves, after all they steal our jobs, use our hospitals, clog up our schools and cause homelessness.... apparently!

that's how it was sold to the German population, the propaganda started long before the killing....

Correct. Consider that the final solution was the final solution, a last resort. The earlier plans included deportation and shipping them to colonize Madagascar but neither proved viable so unfortunately the Nazis resorted to the worst possible means to achieve their goals

jfc can we not compare this in any way to the holocaust please???

Some of you are so awful.

elfsie
I agree, it's the principle. I think there's a terrible degree of complacency regarding rights and status. A lot of people don't seem to understand that if rights of a certain category of the population are diluted, it's actually a bad sign for everyone.

In 1929 my grandfather's brother had to apply to stay in teh US and become a citizen there with complex forms, sponsors etc. I am not sure this is too different other than being easier and only costing £65.

You can apply using a PC ( or an iphone even if you submit your documents a different way - it is Apple which prevents the upload via iphone I think not the Government - not that many people in the UK in a month of Sundays could afford an iphone anyway - huge first world problems anyway, never mind afford a fare abroad)

Well, to put it simply, because every time I checked on the Home Office website, EU citizens were told not to worry and sit on their hands as nothing would change.

This thread honestly gives me the rage!!!!!!

I’m an EU citizen, have always worked, paid taxes, etc. I’m now looking after my husband who has MS and cannot work anymore. So not only I’m not welcome as an EU citizen and neither is he as he is disabled. This is what the successive Tory governments have achieved. I really do love this country and British people but I more often than not despair these days...

This was in reply to a post going on about how we (EU citizens should have registered, taken on nationality, etc, as soon as Leave had won the majority).
Oh and by the way, money is tight so I don’t really have £2000 knocking about in my bank account...

mythos 💐
I've noticed that unless something directly affects people, they don't empathise (either they don't see what's wrong or don't really care). There are well meaning people out there for sure, but I wouldn't expect the majority to see it as we do. Again, that's why I thought pretty quickly after the ref that I was either leaving or taking the citizenship.

Sorry cross post- and yes, citizenship is horrendously costly. That was a chunk to fork out.

Regardless of people’s opinions on paying the price of a night out to cover administration of staying in a country where you do not have citizenship to equate this to nazi persecution of the Jews is sickening! There is no justification for this at all. Unless you are saying leavers are akin to nazis!

@RedDogsBeg so which countries popular among the British emigrants have those very strict dual standards?
Because most countries requiring registration of foreign residents actually require the same from their own citizens. Same goes for things such as access to public healthcare etc. where you need to fulfil stringent conditions to get a health insurance card that gives you free access to the treatments (alternatively you can use the EU health card for short stays but that's where actually the foreigners have the advantage).
As far as I know, working visa or work permits weren't needed yet but I certainly hope for any reciprocal measure from the EU for anything that will be introduced for EU citizens in the UK. Btw, something's telling me that the impact will be more serious for the UK where institutions such as the NHS became heavily reliant on foreign staff.

Deadbudgie
Exactly. I am angry with leavers. But to liken them or the government to Nazis is sickening and denigrates the memory of the victims of that heinous regime.

To reiterate (again) that it is not the £65 or even the £2000 I have spent for my citizenship.
You can't compare this to moving to USA! I have lived in USA! I knew I needed a VISA for the duration of my stay.
Why is this so hard to understand?????
Moving to the UK, as open border, was like moving provinces, I knew I had the right to.

I signed up for the Home Office emails and was told nothing would change.

I, as I know since the referendum I had become persona non grata and I was basing my future and my family's on Government promises, managed to get my citizenship.
It is not even the money (how many of us have £2000 to spend like that), but the time,evidence, exams, trips to London for me.

I have known, from the moment the referendum propaganda started, that I am not wanted, not welcome here.
I have known this from the flags and "No to Europe" and "Leave" flags my neighbours put up, I have known this from the never-ending headlines immigration, I have known this from the comments on my accent, I learned this further last week, when 2 people openly said "I hope you speak English to your child" and "what language are you speaking to him?", strangers in the shops (he is bilingual, his father is British)
It feels me with shame to say that I am scared to talk to my son in my native tongue, the tongue of his grandfather, who also fought wars for him. The tongue of my father, who died before he met him.

I can say it louder but you won't hear it.

We know you don't want us here, you hate the idea of us.

We know that if we could go back we probably wouldn't have come.

I know that you think, after I reveal to you that I am from your favourite holiday destination and I brought you fucking tapas, that "I am the right kind of European"