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Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

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Rosepetalgeranium · 29/12/2018 08:30

Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

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Quietrebel · 29/12/2018 15:44

@MissSusanScreams
Well, i'm not sure either and that's also partly why I've naturalised. As my children are British born I only ever enter white British for them when asked for ethnicity. I don't want them on there or any other register 'othering' them.

Quietrebel · 29/12/2018 15:44

Ok, i realise it sounds paranoid.

Ruffina · 29/12/2018 15:44

Really? Children born here? Is that right?

coldheartwarmhands · 29/12/2018 15:49

So it’s a register if anyone of EU origin or extraction in the U.K. I wonder why they need this. I would be suspicious about why the charge is so low- essentially just clerical. It would suggest that what is more important is the data they are getting from the process.

Well, yes, that's kind of the point.

It tells the Home Office who travelled and settled here when free movement was permitted, in order to distinguish them from those who will have to fulfil specific criteria in order to settle here.

If those already settled choose not to register, then they will be considered under whatever new rules are put in place for immigrants post-brexit.

BollocksToBrexit · 29/12/2018 15:51

My 82 year old dad came to the UK as a child, served in the British army and then spent the rest of his working life as a postman. He ran the kids football club for 30 years and was the lollipop man at the school when he first retired. As a short fat jolly man he was roped in to play Santa at every school party, village fair or Christmas event for miles around.

Now he has Parkinson's and dementia and has to pay £65 out of his pension and apply to be allowed to stay or face being deported. It's a national disgrace and shame on every single person who voted for and supports this.

Ruffina · 29/12/2018 15:54

Bollocks

Do you have to register then?

coldheartwarmhands · 29/12/2018 15:55

Really? Children born here? Is that right?

No, not all children - many are automatically eligible for British citizenship. It depends on their parents status at the time they were born.

Ruffina · 29/12/2018 15:58

cold

Thanks. So if the parent(s) never took citizenship would a child have to pay and register?

Seems very wrong if so.

BollocksToBrexit · 29/12/2018 15:59

Bollocks

Do you have to register then?

No, my mum is British so I have British citizenship by birth. I no longer live in the UK though and have absolutely no idea what we'll have to do when the shit hits the fan.

Ruffina · 29/12/2018 16:04

Bollocks

Thank you. I’m increasingly troubled by the idea that the children of any couple - say both from the EU - do not have automatic rights to, well, everything, if the children are born here.

coldheartwarmhands · 29/12/2018 16:09

ruffina

It's very complex, and there was a change in 1983, but after that, if a DCs parents had indefinite leave to remain or a permanent resident document, then the DC is automatically has British citizenship.

coldheartwarmhands · 29/12/2018 16:11

ruffina

Allowing any child born here automatic citizenship irrespective of the nationality of their parents brings with it a whole load of questions.

Ruffina · 29/12/2018 16:14

cold

But in the context of this thread, how does that affect parents who are citizens of other EU states? Surely they all had definite ‘leave to remain’ by definition?

MissSusanScreams · 29/12/2018 16:25

I’ve just checked. Anyone who is an EU citizen and their family memeber (I’m assuming chidren) must apply, even if they have permanent leave to remain.

coldheartwarmhands · 29/12/2018 16:26

ruffina As far as I am aware, and I'm not an expert, having EU citizenship did not give Indefinite right to remain.

shartsi · 29/12/2018 16:26

British citizens have to pay £75 for a UK passport which they are entitled to, even children. Why moan about £65?

coldheartwarmhands · 29/12/2018 16:28

misssusan. But many children of EU nationals who have settled here will have British Citizenship and therefore wont need to apply.

coldheartwarmhands · 29/12/2018 16:30

British citizens have to pay £75 for a UK passport which they are entitled to, even children. Why moan about £65?

To be fair, this doesn't give EU migrants British Citizenship, or a British passport,shartsi - they still have to pay for a passport from their own country.

BollocksToBrexit · 29/12/2018 16:33

British citizens have to pay £75 for a UK passport which they are entitled to, even children. Why moan about £65?

No they don't 'have to pay £75'. They choose to. They're not under threat of losing their homes and being deported to a country they haven't seen for 70 years if they don't pay it.

Babygrey7 · 29/12/2018 16:33

65? Well, I just paid around 1400 for UK citizenship...

The way I see it is that the UK owe me nothing, and it is my choice to live here.

I have lived in lots of other countries, and in my experience, you just have to play ball (paperwork, requirements, money, tax) if you want to be able to work and live somewhere else.

The UK has not been particularly hostile or difficult compared to other places!

GladAllOver · 29/12/2018 16:36

British citizens have to pay £75 for a UK passport which they are entitled to, even children. Why moan about £65?
Not the same thing at all. If you were suddenly required to buy a passport not to travel with but just to let you live here, or else you would be thrown out, you might find it unreasonable.

EerieSilence · 29/12/2018 16:36

I hope EU countries will adopt the Home Office ways when it comes to treating British emigrants. For now it looks like those £65 are pretty much a lottery because where's the guarantee that they will not progress further? If there's no deal, there will be working visa/permits and permanent residence applications needed for EU citizens in Britain.
I certainly hope that this will be reciprocated and for the elderly Brits living abroad, they will need to provide proof that they can afford living there, including paying for health care as they don't contribute to the economics of those countries.

MissSusanScreams · 29/12/2018 17:07

@coldheartwarmhands

Those who have a parent with indefinite leave to remain who applied for British Citzenship when they were born will not have to apply, no.

Those with parents without indefinite leave to remain or whose parents didn’t register them as Bristish citizens at birth will.

So in a family of two parents and two children the cost would be £260.

Consider that some of the jobs done by EU migrants are at the very low paid but highly skilled end of the spectrum- including those doing post doctoral research for universities, nurses, teaching assistants (especially language assistants in secondary education) and lots in the luxury services industry (chefs, waiter, sommeliers).

This payment is on top of the private medical insurance they have to have to apply for settled status.

The entire attitude is of a country that thinks it is too good to need anyone not British. Guess we’ll find out.

DGRossetti · 29/12/2018 17:11

Allowing any child born here automatic citizenship irrespective of the nationality of their parents brings with it a whole load of questions.

For Americans, such a right is enshrined in the US constitution - 14th amendment. It's up there with freedom of speech.

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 29/12/2018 17:12

This thread makes really depressing reading. I really don't see why people are comparing it to going to work in the states or getting a visa to go and visit another country. It's not the same at all. These people came here legally and were promised, at the time, indefinite leave to stay. Now they are being told to register and pay. It's not the money it's the principle.

And people saying well the money needs to come from somewhere. How about taking it from the taxes they pay? Or the 350 million per week we've saved leaving the EU? It's a drop in the ocean of Brexit.

My husband has been here for 25 years. More time here than in his home country. He works hard and has a good job, has been a massive positive contributer to the economy. He is involved in the local community. He has married a British person and has British person and owns property here. The point is he is now to all intents and purposes, British. It is his home. He is now being asked to 'register' and pay to do so. Yes he can easily afford it. We could afford British citizenship. But it's the feeling of not being welcome, of your neighbours voting for no more of you to come and live here, of being treated differently to British people when for the last 25 years he has been an equal.

I also think it was very wrong he wasn't allowed a vote but that's another thread.

If you can't see why being asked to register and pay to stay in your own home with your own family is upsetting then you are either just refusing to try and see another's point of view or are devoid of empathy