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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

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Original poster

To ask if anybody on here is pro-life?

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Teeandee · 28/12/2018 15:02

When it comes to the subject of abortion I've noticed a high number of people on here are very pro-choice and support abortion. Is there anybody else, like me, who doesn't?

Everybody is entitled to their opinion of course and I don't think badly of anybody who has had a termination and I don't judge. It's only my personal outlook and life experiences that shape my view and was wondering if I really am in the minority here?

OP posts:

Drogosnextwife · 29/12/2018 20:41

The fact is I can have as much sex as I want and the statewillsort it.

Wow childish attitude to have. I can do whatever I want and if it all goes tits up then someone else will fix it for me.

Raspberry88 · 29/12/2018 20:42

What do you think people did for the entirety of human history ? What makes you think the state has a moral obligation to enable you to have as much sexual intercourse as you want ?
Well, seeing as I can and have had a termination clearly the state feels that is ok.

JacquesHammer · 29/12/2018 20:43

Wow childish attitude to have. I can do whatever I want and if it all goes tits up then someone else will fix it for me

Well as I’ve clearly said I use two lots of contraception and I’m infertile so pretty much doing my bit. So yeah, if that goes tits up (which to happen twice would be absolutely insanely unlucky) then I can get it sorted.

ElonMask · 29/12/2018 20:43

No. I’m saying it simply does.

? I give up. So there is no moral obligation for the state to abortion to whomever wants it and for whatever reason ?

WheelyCoteClaus · 29/12/2018 20:44

Read the title and thought, 'Yep that's a shit storm of a topic, let's see if it's kicked off yet'

And it has

JacquesHammer · 29/12/2018 20:45

So there is no moral obligation for the state to abortion to whomever wants it and for whatever reason

So I go ask for an abortion, the GP will state “nope, we have no moral obligation”? Or it will give the treatment as per the NHS allows....?

ElonMask · 29/12/2018 20:45

Well, seeing as I can and have had a termination clearly the state feels that is ok.

Again the question is why is the state morally obliged to fund you and your husband's sex life and morally compelled to terminate any pregnancy that might occur as a result of your sexual demands?

formerbabe · 29/12/2018 20:46

My analogy wasn't daft.

My point was not that having sex is the same as crossing the road obviously! Nor that pregnancy is the same as getting run over.

Point was that life is full of risks.

We weigh up the benefits versus the risks and decide if it's worth it. We also consider ways to reduce those risks and come up with solutions if the worst does happen.

If you're using contraception and the risk of conception is less than 1%, but if the worst happens, you can have a termination versus not having sex and the potential damage to your relationship... I think it's worth the risk.

formerbabe · 29/12/2018 20:48

Again the question is why is the state morally obliged to fund you and your husband's sex life and morally compelled to terminate any pregnancy that might occur as a result of your sexual demands?

So what?

The state is also morally obliged to provide a woman with maternity care if she continues with the pregnancy.

CoolCarrie · 29/12/2018 20:48

I am pro life, the life of the woman,. see terminations as something that concerns only the woman involved and no one else. Read Savita by Kitty Holland.

formerbabe · 29/12/2018 20:50

Why so obsessed with sex?

We are all a product of sexual intercourse.

So take it to its logical conclusion, everything the state provides for its population, they are having to do because at some point a couple had sex.

Raspberry88 · 29/12/2018 20:54

*Again the question is why is the state morally obliged to fund you and your husband's sex life and morally compelled to terminate any pregnancy that might occur as a result of your sexual demands?
*
I'm out...I cba to respond to such an inane comment. Clearly you are just looking for an argument. I think it's crazy you have such a black and white view of the world and can only conclude that you can have absolutely no empathy.

ElonMask · 29/12/2018 20:55

Or it will give the treatment as per the NHS allows....

Unless I'm missing something you are now saying there is no moral component to the argument ?

Why so obsessed with sex?

Who's obsessed ? You're the one insisting it is your state sanctioned moral right to have consequence free sex ?

formerbabe · 29/12/2018 20:58

The government provides

Healthcare
Education
Emergency services
Defence
Roads
Benefits and welfare

All for people who are the product of sexual intercourse.

The state only exists because people have sex.

Why only object to the cost of abortion? Its far cheaper than the cost of someone actually having a baby.

Meganc559 · 29/12/2018 20:58

I'm strong pro lifer! And not for religious reasons, I believe the life is viable at the moment of conception.
And I know alot of people will be like "oh what if your raped. How could you possibly have the baby"
Only 4% of abortions are rape/incest cases

TwistedStitch · 29/12/2018 20:59

It's irritating to me to see the comments about women (and the focus is entirely on women) having sex and not taking responsibility. Women overwhelmingly take the main burden of responsibility for sex- they take hormonal contraception, invasive coils, implants etc. They take the MAP if things go wrong. If pregnancy occurs they either have to undergo an abortion (which poses its own risks) or the burden of carrying a baby to term, giving birth, risking birth injuries, breastfeeding, PND, being the main carer, impact on career, financial hardship, lack of maintenance from an absent father (I believe 2/3rds didn't pay last time I checked) etc etc. And I bet if they start a thread on MN saying AIBU to refuse to have sex with my husband anymore because it risks pregnancy they'd be told how unreasonable they are for forcing their partner into a sexless marriage blah blah blah. Fuck off.

ElonMask · 29/12/2018 20:59

I'm out...I cba to respond to such an inane comment

Well I'm disappointed. I admit I am being a bit devils advocate but I was hoping for a better argument in favour of state funded abortion and contraception than "because I want to have sex and it just does!"

Drogosnextwife · 29/12/2018 21:00

We weigh up the benefits versus the risks

Just curious, what are the benefits of having sex if not trying to conceive?

formerbabe · 29/12/2018 21:01

Just curious, what are the benefits of having sex if not trying to conceive?

Oh dear

ElonMask · 29/12/2018 21:03

AIBU to refuse to have sex with my husband anymore because it risks pregnancy

Well, AIBU to insist it is the moral obligation of the state to facilitate my sex life ?

Neither seem that reasonable.

Drogosnextwife · 29/12/2018 21:04

Why only object to the cost of abortion? Its far cheaper than the cost of someone actually having a baby.

People have an opinion on everything that tax money is spent on, not just abortion.

Drogosnextwife · 29/12/2018 21:05

formerbabe

Other than the obvious, it feels good and I want to.

Can you not think of one then?

TwistedStitch · 29/12/2018 21:07

So are you saying that a woman would be unreasonable to refuse to have sex with her husband, and also unreasonable to expect help from the state if she got pregnant Elon?

formerbabe · 29/12/2018 21:08

Drogosnextwife

You asked the question!

formerbabe · 29/12/2018 21:11

Ok, what about people who are injured whilst doing extreme sports?

Do you think the nhs should treat them or do you object to the nhs having to facilitate people's hobbies?

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