To ask if anybody on here is pro-life?

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When it comes to the subject of abortion I've noticed a high number of people on here are very pro-choice and support abortion. Is there anybody else, like me, who doesn't?

Everybody is entitled to their opinion of course and I don't think badly of anybody who has had a termination and I don't judge. It's only my personal outlook and life experiences that shape my view and was wondering if I really am in the minority here?

Helmetbymidnight
I would love to see it become pro choice vs anti choice. That way it's a clear platform. Nobody I know who is pro choice thinks abortions are amazing and love the idea of murdering babies (contrary to the nonsense spouted by anti choice activists). All the pro choice people I know have different opinions on what they would do personally and different opinions on the current legal position but none believe their opinion should prevent others having a view.

Apologies OP, I clearly misinterpreted what you said. Tbh I'm finding your posts a bit confusing. You go from saying 'I'm definitely absolutely against abortions being had unless completely necessary IE to save life or prevent physical suffering' to saying 'I don't believe anybody should be made to do anything.'

I'm struggling to follow what your actual views are as they seem quite contradictory.

Ave my feeling is that if a patient seeing you meant treatment would be delayed (ie have to wait to see another doc) and this could potentially push them over from early to mid\late abortion that you should NOT go into that field. Do something else where your own opinion wouldn’t stop you helping people to the best of your ability. Just imo.

I'm struggling to follow what your actual views are as they seem quite contradictory.

I think that accepting that other people don't share your views and that situations need working through is fairly reasonable.
I personally think abortion is immoral but I think making it illegal overnight would be a disaster and put vulnerable people at risk while not necessarily protecting those the law would be aiming to.

I'd like society to move to a case where abortion while legal is a rare occurrence for health reasons - mother or baby, physical or mental. But making abortion illegal overnight won't make that happen, far more social and attitude changes are needed.

What's with the face tinsel?

Yes I am pro life I don’t agree with abortion under any circumstances.

‘Pro-choice’ is pretty meaningless too unless you support abortion to term for any reason. (which the majority of people who identify as pro-choice do not.)

These are the women I have distain for and I think rightly so.

^^Why it’s a misogynistic phrase.

I work in social services and can guarantee that multiple abortion are is as simple an issue as not taking responsibility for contraception. It is nice that for some people it is such a black and white situation. (And yes, in an ideal world only the responsible would have sex )

But there are often a whole host of other factors involved, including mental health issues, coercive relationships, lack of family, and domestic violence. We (but especially those working in abortion services) should be helping women in this situation (maybe asking them why?) not judging them.

I personally think abortion is immoral but I think making it illegal overnight would be a disaster and put vulnerable people at risk while not necessarily protecting those the law would be aiming to

Making it illegal at all would always put vulnerable people at risk.

(Sorry, is not as simple an issue...)

Yes I am pro life I don’t agree with abortion under any circumstances.

Any circumstances? What if the pregnancy would kill the mum and the baby? Rape? Incest? Should a teenager be forced to carry her fathers baby to term?

holasoydora I work within SS as well - I wish all peoples lives where easy and straightforward - but we know how complex they can be

I'm sure all the women who have made the devastating decision to terminate a much wanted PG due to medical problems detected at the 20 week scan would thank you for your kind and thoughtful post MyDcAreMarvel - very nice

Indeed ghostly, I think if the average mumsnetter were to read an ordinary day’s worth of case notes they might be more understanding.

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/mar/21/abortion-rates-drop-dramatically-rich-countries-terminations-study

Countries with the lowest abortion rates are the ones where it is safe and legal, and where women have access to contraception, and jobs, and employment and maternity rights. Women in other countries are more likely to have abortions because the are impoverished, stigmatised and terrified, and they stand a real chance of dying or suffering dreadful injuries. So if you are pro life then you need to stand up and become pro woman, and pro mothers. Shaming and stigmatising desperate women will just lead to more maternal deaths as well as the foetus.

I don’t think there’s any reason to attack MyDC over her post. I can’t imagine what it is like to hear the news that an unborn child has serious health problems and I wouldn’t judge anyone for terminating a pregnancy in that situation but I also know of people, my sister in fact, who have continued in the face of a horrible diagnosis and their bravery shouldn’t be diminished either

People who have multiple abortions may have other complicating factors - chaotic lives, damage from their own upbringings etc etc. How can you possibly know how lightly or seriously they’re taking each decision? How traumatised or not they are by it?

^^Exactly this.

I think pro-life is misleading. Pro-life doesn't just means pro.biryh because too many pro-lifers don't give a damn what happens to said child after birth. Can't afford to bring them up now you've given birth coz we forced you? Not our problem. Can't handle the emotional consequences of giving birth to a child conceived by rape? Nil shits given once said child is born.

Let's give it the proper label - pro control

@TwistedStitch I do see why, as after reading everybody else's viewpoints and answering certain questions I've had to re-assess what I consider to be pro life and whether I fit into that category.

When I said I was pro life I wasn't taking into consideration things such as pregnancies that would be a risk to the mother's life, or babies who weren't viable outside the womb.

I am against abortions in the vast majority of cases (healthy mother's and healthy babies) unless one is required to save the life of the mother or to avoid the unborn suffering greatly after birth.

That being said I don't know if that makes me pro choice or not, but I don't think it does as I'd still be against abortion in the majority of cases with only a small percentage being an exception under medical grounds.

The woman I know who's had multiple abortions and is very nonchalant about the process doesn't have mental health problems or a chaotic life. I realise it's hard for people to believe that some others just don't give a shit, but she doesn't. I know this because of how close I am to the situation and I have been a confidant of hers many times. I've never been disrespectful towards her (unless you count me posting here anonymously as doing that) and I've treat her with respect regardless of how I feel about her choices.

When you see somebody do the same thing time and again, choose to keep some of the babies, abort the others and carry on having unprotected sex and falling pregnant again when they absolutely don't want any more children - it's hard not to judge - especially when you're close to others who are desperately TTC and would give almost anything for just one of those pregnancies.

I don't think she should be forced to have babies she doesn't want, but I do think it's her responsibility to ensure she doesn't keep conceiving in that case.

*I think pro-life is misleading. Pro-life doesn't just means pro.biryh because too many pro-lifers don't give a damn what happens to said child after birth. Can't afford to bring them up now you've given birth coz we forced you? Not our problem. Can't handle the emotional consequences of giving birth to a child conceived by rape? Nil shits given once said child is born.

Let's give it the proper label - pro control*

This kind of ignorance isn’t helpful to the debate

All those that say they couldn't have an abortion because you've had a mc - I was in the same position. I've lost 3 babies and it was awful. I also had to go through 3 rounds of ivf to get my 2 kids. Then both me and oh got made redundant and guess what? I got pregnant. A bloody miracle. And the worst timing ever. There was no real choice for me as I needed to protect the kids I fought hard for in the first place. I think about that baby every day but I don't regret it. If I got pregnant now I'd keep it but those circumstances meant that I needed to utilise my choice. Its opened my eyes to how truly awful that situation is. To me, I have lost 4 babies and that one is the hardest loss.

I am 'moderately' pro-life in that I feel that abortion is only acceptable either in the earliest stages, or in grave circumstances e.g. rape, incest, threat to life of mother, mother requires chemotherapy or other urgent treatment, severe foetal abnormality, etc.

I recognise that many women have abortions as a result of very difficult life circumstances. However I would like to see better support provided to such women (financial, practical, social) to allow more women to choose to keep their babies.

Abortion, especially in the US, is frequently painted as a black and white issue, when really it isn't. Almost everyone today agrees that a newborn baby is fully human and has full human rights. However, whether the baby should be accorded human rights only at birth, or at 23-24 weeks (when it could survive outside the uterus), or at 12 weeks (when it looks like a baby), or at conception, is the grey area.

What makes me uncomfortable is that legally, one baby could be medically aborted at 23 weeks (I know this is rare in practice), whereas another baby could be born prematurely at 23 weeks and then be subjected to intensive medical intervention to keep it alive and allow it to grow up into a child. I don't think that the value of an unborn baby's life should be determined solely by whether the mother wants it or not.

At what point did I say no one has a contraception failure? I said I find it hard to believe there are so manygiven that most contraceptives are around 98% affective.