To ask if anybody on here is pro-life?

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When it comes to the subject of abortion I've noticed a high number of people on here are very pro-choice and support abortion. Is there anybody else, like me, who doesn't?

Everybody is entitled to their opinion of course and I don't think badly of anybody who has had a termination and I don't judge. It's only my personal outlook and life experiences that shape my view and was wondering if I really am in the minority here?

ghosty
The solution is having the choice available for women whilst also being free to disagree with some behaviours.

I will defend the right of women to have access to abortion. That doesn't mean I will defend behaviour that is questionable or irresponsible.

or in case of a rape, although I still personally think the baby should not be a victim

And that's exactly what I did. Kept a baby after I'd been raped. Because I felt guilty. I still suffer, emotionally, although I love my child, unconditionally.

It's difficult to believe, with the percentage rate of contraception being effective, there are just so many abortions needed due to contraception failure

I had a pregnancy scare. Condom split, minipill didn’t work.

"So yes I am pro life - for the life that actually matters." (i.e. not the foetus/baby/child)

That comment almost made me cry 😢

For me, the law as it stands is more than adequate allowing for choice. Abortion after 24 weeks for reasons other than on serious medical grounds are abhorrent to me personally.

@Craft1905 yep, if that is what she wants - she is the one that has to raise it!

Oh grow the fuck up FrankIncensed

My “believing” life begins at conception has nothing to do with my stance on abortion, I clearly stated that I have no problems with early term abortion (you know, the ones that account for the vast majority of abortions).

However, you are incredibly naive if you think that a) opening up abortion to term doesn’t have its own set of oppressive potential exploitation’s (thing gender based terminations) and the b) that allowing women terminations at birth is sparing them from traumatic processes - do you really think it’s not traumatic to even be in a position of wanting to terminate, let alone going through the procedure, either physically or emotionally.

My point was that for many people like me, there is a valid consideration for the foetus’s rights. As in, like many people, where one extreme end of the spectrum lies at thinking women have no rights and the unborn baby has all the rights, and on the other end of the spectrum women have all the rights and the baby has none at all, there are plenty of people who feel the fairest like of thinking is somewhere in between. As evidenced by our current laws around abortion.

Your narrow minded refusal to see any other point of view and reproach women who do so is arrogant in the extreme.

I am pro-life for me, unless the baby was 'incompatible with life' (would die immediately upon being born) or if my own life would be at risk by carrying the baby (as I already have 2 DDs, who need me).

I am pro-choice for other women though, up to the legal abortion limit (although I personally feel this is too high and would be more comfortable with a maximum of 16 weeks) and have supported 3 different friends through a total of 5 abortions over the last 20 years; collecting them from hospital, having them to stay whilst they recovered etc.

Full disclosure - I am a Christian, was raised Roman Catholic, but now a practising Protestant.

"I genuinely don’t see it as a life being taken until the baby could survive if born and even then I’m not always against that."

Did I really just read that? How is this any different from what was happening in China during the one-child policy, where perfectly healthy baby girls were killed at birth or, worse, put in the trash to die slowly? The value any one person - parent or otherwise - places on a child should not determine whether they get to live.

Personally I would categorise myself as shades of grey, but pro-life across all fronts. That means anti-war, anti-death penalty, anti-nukes, anti-slavery and exploitation, pro-environment, pro-social care systems and equal access to food, shelter, clean water, healthcare, education, opportunities, the living wage and anything else needed for people to flourish including comprehensive sex education and contraception. I would be willing to accept abortion in the first trimester (before the baby is fully formed) and for medical reasons but beyond that - no. It's a human life that you take because it inconveniences yours. And yes, I know there are sad stories and circumstances. Many of the families I know have sad stories and circumstances. They're categorically not allowed to murder their children because of them.

theconversation.com/playboy-brooke-shields-and-the-fetishisation-of-young-girls-85255

You could try her with this
About Playboy publication "sugar and spice" and images of girls eg 10yo Brooke Shields

When you remember that Heff at al were quite keen on young girls, the 90s marketing of Playboy stuff at them is even more gross. This top takes the biscuit > but is it aimed at children?

Anyway by wearning this top she is as a 14yo girl endorsing the brand and what has been done in it's name / by Heff and his mates. It is a clearly sexual image from a porn brand and she's an underage girl wearing it.

erm I think you have the wrong thread!

@SilverDoe you have absolutely no fucking idea about the life experiences that form my views. Also I have no point said I believe abortion should be available to term or that abortion is not traumatic or a decision that for many women is one that has to be agonised over. I know full well it is. What I do believe and will always believe is that a woman's right to decide her own fate is not up for negotiation or because you have decided to add your own morality to the mix. I am not the narrow minded one here.

I agree with abortion in case of rape or severe deformations, threat to mothers life etc.

I do not agree when women use it as a form of contraception or decide it doesn’t suit their lifestyle.

greendale17 so what happens to those women?

forced pregnancy?

Tell us how you envisage the rape exemption working...

Pro choice. I I find it hard to articulate my opinion on this properly but I'll try. I think a planned (or jnllannrd and wanted) and wanted conception is a baby from when you know about the pregnancy, at least emotionally for the parents. It seems far too cruel to suggest when wanted babies are miscarried that it's not a baby, it is and the parents will grieve for a whole little life that they had envisaged and planned for.

However, objectively speaking and removing emotion I think a baby is a baby when it can survive outside of it's mother's womb (although I d actually have some objections to the amount of interventions carrier out on extreme premature babies based on likely quality of life, and yes I know there are always exception to the rule.)

DS is 6 months old and I'm not sure I want another baby, if I do in the future I certainly don't want one now, and think if I found out I was pregnant I would look at a termination. However that's easy to say when it's discussed in theory.

I wouldn't judge someone for having a termination, I would judge someone who forced a woman to go through a pregnancy against her will.

I do have uncomfortable feelings around healthy late term abortion, but realistically they account for miniscule percentage of abortions carried out.

I don't think that I would choose to have an abortion however I am 100% pro-choice. I interested to hear the basis of your pro-life status if you don't judge anyone for having an abortion.

Also, if you agree with it in certain circumstances then I'm sorry but you don't have a valid reason for not agreeing with it in others. You either think it's wrong or it's not.

I do not agree when women use it as a form of contraception

Again, not possible...

@holasoydora you know what people mean. To use it as a means of not having a baby rather than using contraceptives to stop a pregnancy in the first place. Obviously conception has already taken place.

So you’d like a doctor to decide whether the woman’s pregnancy should continue or not on the basis of the reasons the woman presents with?
Is that it?

MumMumMum I know that it is a judgemental, misogynistic phrase bandied around by people on here who have no idea why people may have had multiple abortions.

Women are fertile for 25+ years, ovulating 12 times a year. Even the nurses and doctors who treat them cannot be fully aware of the reasons or circumstances when a woman seeks an abortion having had one before.

Haven’t read all comments.
Pro-life because I believe a unique and new life is formed at conception. I’m pro life in every case. I believe the unborn life of each person is important regardless of the circumstance. I know a great number of other people who hold this view.

That said I would never judge a woman who has had a termination. I only know of one friend who asked for support though an abortion which she got. I am still very close to her.

The reason I believe abortion should be legal is because we live in a democracy and abortion is what the majority of people want. The pro life movement does not want to enforce forced births on women. It exists to educate on the pro life stance and campaign for the rights of the unborn. Most importantly they support woman who have had abortions and those who did not in terms of practical,financial and emotional help.

FrankIncensed my morality has nothing to do with it.

The point I’m making that a lot of people on the extreme end of pro choice is that for many (most?) there is a balancing act between the rights of the woman involved and the rights of the unborn baby.

You don’t have to agree, but this thread is about reasons for being “pro life”. It’s an emotive topic but plenty of people have shown that you

...shown that you can have a reasoned discussion about abortion. You have just been an absolute dismissive knob when you have no right to be.

Although it is not tecchnically possible to use an abortion as a form of contraception, I think it goes without saying that the analogy being referred to is that the abortion is being used to prevent a baby arriving - much the same as contraception is.

Much to the horror of people who agonize over the contemplation to abort, and those who at least think considerably before making their decision based on practicality and whatever else, there is a number of women for whom it's as simple as just doing it and take no steps to avoid pregnancy because if they do happen to fall pregnant they can (in their minds) simply abort.

It's immoral, and a strain on the nhs at best.

A percentage of women fail to use any contraception but are not phased by having repeat abortions, just because they don't want the baby.

It beggars belief that they wouldn't take precautions to protect themselves from the situation in the first place, but some don't.

These are the women I have distain for and I think rightly so.

Yes it's nothing to do with anybody else what somebody chooses to do with their body, but we all have strong views about other people's behaviour at some point or another.