To ask if anybody on here is pro-life?

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When it comes to the subject of abortion I've noticed a high number of people on here are very pro-choice and support abortion. Is there anybody else, like me, who doesn't?

Everybody is entitled to their opinion of course and I don't think badly of anybody who has had a termination and I don't judge. It's only my personal outlook and life experiences that shape my view and was wondering if I really am in the minority here?

So are anti abortionists against ivf too?

I'm probably pro-choice, one of my closest friends is pro-life.

I haven't talked about it to most of my friends in RL, so I wouldn't know what was the norm.

again abortion can NOT be a form of contraception

and again what would you suggest ? ban women after 3 terminations - what do you think that would achieve - lots of happy families?

I'd rather a woman have 100 terminations than one unwanted child

I personally couldnt kill my baby. To me that baby is a child from conception.
I can understand peoples reasons tho.
I would never say something hurtful to someone who has felt in such a desparate position that they chose to abort.

I guess i have less of a problem with the pills before baby has a heartbeat.
Late abortions horrify me.

Yes the idea that women with lives chaotic enough that they are repeatedly putting themselves at risk and having multiple abortions shouldn't be allowed to have them- what will that achieve?

I'd rather a woman have 100 terminations than one unwanted child

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@GreenMeerkat, fair. I class myself as pro-life as thats my personal view. My actions on the matter however are guided by the fact that I'm not a crappy person and think that even if someone does something I disagree with, it's none of my business and it is my job to love and support them regardless.

@TooManyPaws, I do love this quote and I love how my church use it when the topic is brought up.

FrankIncensed there’s no need to be so derisive of peoples views.

I believe life begins at conception because it makes logical sense, the key is once conception has occurred . I’m fully pro extensive, free and easily available contraception, it’s hugely important.

And actually I’m a huge supporter of welfare support for all, especially those with children as I think children should be given the best chance in life. So not a hypocritical twat

There is no easy answer, I understand that someone wanting to abort so late may not be in a position to care for the baby. But improving the care system would be better, and I sincerely doubt that suddenly increasing the abortion limit would result in no unwanted or inadequately cared for children. I imagine that the number of women wanting to abort so late would be very small anyway, and I would also imagine that lots of people unfit to be parents sadly still want to be, for one reason or another.

So trying to reduce people’s view points to a few ideas is never going to be fair or accurate. I’m strongly against the weird “pro life” religious American nuts who at the same time want to remove access to contraception. You can’t hear the word “pro life” and assume that someone is a misogynist. But there is, whether it is recognised in law or not, a human life created in pregnancy which at some point many people believe develops past the point of it being ethical to end its life at the choice of the parent.

It is a huge source of irritation to me that those opposed to abortion have commandeered the label "pro-life". You are NOT "pro-life" you are anti-choice
I agree.

Personally, my views for my body are largely pro life except medical reasons. But I am pro choice because I don't believe my opinion should limit another woman's choice.

It isn't about pro life vs pro choice. It's about pro choice vs anti choice. Either someone believes their opinions should limit another woman's choice or they believe that women should be free to make choices they might personally disagree with.

In fact obviously that’s where it’s at at the moment, I think we have struck a good balance really in England.

My uncle recently told me his friends wife had become pregnant & theyd always agreed if she did they would abort (were not using birth control!) they had 3 boys & decided if it was a girl they would keep the baby! At an early gender scan they discovered it was another boy - the mother changed her mind & said she couldn’t do it so they are expecting another boy. But even the notion anyone could think like that makes my blood turn cold! I’m pro choice, but I think as early as possible unless medically necessary later & not because of the gender of a baby & definitely not as a form of contraception!

ghostys yes I am aware, thanks, it was a pp who was suggesting that nobody would ever face pressure to have an abortion and find themselves in a difficult situation due to their choice not to abort. I do question, though, why the pro-choicers on this thread have repeatedly said that these issues are all only for pro-lifers to sort out, as if agreeing with abortion for these reasons means you no longer need to care about the underlying circumstances and the treatment of women that has created them.

@funinthesun18 if you (or anyone else on the thread) ever need to talk to someone about it: Abortion Recovery Care & Helpline

@LuggsaysNotaWomen she's not mentally unstable, vulnerable or unintelligent. She's just a morally lax woman who thinks abortion is a way of avoiding accountability for her poor choices and lack of regard for her sexual health.

She has three children who she parents adequately, she chose to risk falling pregnant both before and after the three children that she wanted to keep, and opted to abort, only to then continue having unprotected sex when she knew she didn't want more children.

I think adoption is the best case scenario for women who find themselves 'accidentally' pregnant and don't want to keep the baby for no reason other than they just don't want it or have space/time for it.

Why not give that baby to a family who can provide everything that you feel you can't?

Like I mentioned a few pages ago I gave birth to my rapists baby and wouldn't have dreamed of aborting him. He was a healthy baby, he just so happened to be conceived by a shitty person. He's a happy loving child now with an adoptive family who adore him and he's enriched their lives massively. I don't regret not aborting and never have. Plenty of couples / women / men struggle with fertility and can only dream of becoming parents. Why not give the gift of life to somebody else rather than ending a viable pregnancy.

*I think adoption is the best case scenario for women who find themselves 'accidentally' pregnant and don't want to keep the baby for no reason other than they just don't want it or have space/time for it.

Why not give that baby to a family who can provide everything that you feel you can't?*

I would be that woman. I’m not an incubator.

No most pro-choicers I know actively work to challenge oppression and support women and women's rights - most pro-lifers I have met (mostly male) oddly do seem to have a different view on women - mainly the 'victim/martyr/little women' kind - and woe betide anyone who doesn't fit their world view

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I am pro choice because to be anti choice would be awful. It doesn't mean that as an adult I could have a abortion but I might have had one when I was young and if eg DD was raped and pregnant at 13 I would support her if she wanted a termination. I have worked in this field and rarely found that women have made the decision to terminate easily. It is almost always very difficult and sad but that really doesn't mean that it isn't the right decision for that woman. I don't like the term pro-life; we all are. Making termination of pregnancy illegal or more restricted than it is now is misogynistic and regressive but education and easy access to family planning options need to be improved.

*again abortion can NOT be a form of contraception

and again what would you suggest ? ban women after 3 terminations - what do you think that would achieve - lots of happy families?

I'd rather a woman have 100 terminations than one unwanted child*

This.

Alarming to hear how judgemental people working in gynae services can be... You don’t know any of these women or their reasons.

And what about what the men think, and the role they have played in those women being there, again? Threads like this make me feel so angry at the misogyny expressed by other women on here - in this case women working in abortion services.

morally lax woman BINGO - there it is

like 'good AIDS and bad AIDS' we have good women - deserving of abortion - the raped, the ill' and the rest of us fallen women who deserve our fate

Only allow abortion for situation YOU find morally acceptable?

Thankfully it's a medical not a moral issue

If you made the choice to carry your baby to term and give him up for adoption then that is absolutely your right. But women shouldn't be used as incubators against their wishes to provide babies for others.

Also giving up a baby for adoption is an alternative to child rearing. It isn't an alternative to being pregnant- many women abort because they don't want to go through pregnancy either. Forcing them to is barbaric.

@JacquesHammer I am not an incubator. Totallty agree. I will not be forced to give birth and put it into care.
There are thousands of children in care, how many have the pro forced birthers adopted? Womb transplants are a new medical advancement, peope would literally rather have an organ transplant than adopt. It's such a ridiculous argument.

I am absolutely pro choice but I am uncomfortable with abortion as I think many people are. In a perfect world they wouldn't be necessary but the world is far from perfect so that's why I am pro choice.

I do struggle when I have known people be repeatedly irresponsible when it comes to contraception and have multiple abortions. I hope and think these are the minority of cases though.

I think people should be responsible and this will mean the minimal number of abortions are needed. It's a really difficult subject.

also we now know the damage caused in the womb by stress, distress, abuse etc - those 'perfect little adoptable babies' don't come without a raft of emotional and biological complications

(I'm sorry OP this isn't aimed at you - it's just fact and I hope it doesn't upset you given your situation x)

Because adoption is entirely seperate to abortion. It’s not a solution if you don’t want to go through pregnancy, birth and all it entails, it’s not a solution if you don’t want to go through the process of giving up a child and wondering if they’re going to come looking for you in eighteen years.

You can only judge what is best for your own circumstances, for you it was adoption, for me it would be abortion in that scenario. I’m not obliged to be an incubator against my will, and I’m not obliged to provide children for anyone else.

Bizarrely a large number of the pro-life movement in places such as the US, including politicians, seem to support the death penalty, oppose gun control and are against welfare/ affordable healthcare. Pro forced birth is far more accurate.

They are pro life...until that life turns out to be gay, or to work in an abortion clinic, or an atheist, or a citizen of a country the US decides to bomb, at which point they become pro death.

As usual, I don’t know what the ‘pro-lifers’ are trying to argue.

You want abortion to be made illegal and you expect the demand for abortions to melt away- and no woman would need/want one?

You think an exception should be made for rape but won’t elaborate on how you expect that to work.

You think five is too many, so you’d like a limit put on, say, two, then forced births after that?