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Dumped by Mum friend due to kids having SEN - AIBU?

167 replies

SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 00:01

I have two year old twin boys who are absolutely wonderful. They are affectionate, funny and sweet but they both have difficulties. One has many health issues including a visual impairment and has recently been diagnosed with ASD. His brother is extremely bright but delayed in some areas and it’s looking likely he will be diagnosed with ASD too.

I made a lovely Mum friend about a year ago this year - we hit it off right away and would chat and visit often. She has two children, one is a similar age to my boys and one is younger.

She’s been very quiet recently, I know she’s had some other stuff going on - I’ve been supportive but obviously we haven’t known each other too long so I’ve just offered support whenever she needs it.

I haven’t seen her for a while and I messaged her recently asking if she’d like to meet up. She asked about the boys and I told her about the ASD diagnosis. She said that she doesn’t think we should hang out any more because it’s not good for her children’s development to “be around children who are challenged” (exact quote).

I could understand it if my boys had behavioural issues or were aggressive in some way but they aren’t at all - have never even pushed another child which I think is quite rare for toddlers! They don’t have tantrums or behave in a negative way that other kids could copy. They mainly just keep to themselves when others are around and don’t interact much, but I can’t see how that could be too damaging. When they come round it’s mainly for us to chat and the kids just play and do their own thing.

It has really deeply upset me - i’d rather she said she didn’t like me or some other personal issue with me. The thought that people are already using their difficulties to exclude them is just breaking my heart.

Is she being unreasonable or am I? Obviously I’m not going to stay in touch with her if this is how she feels, I’m just trying to get an unbiased opinion on whether she’s being reasonable here and whether this is just what’s going to keep happening now.

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NotAlwaysAPushover · 21/12/2018 00:05

Obviously 100% she is v v unreasonable. She's in for shocks in life if this is how ignorant and bigoted she is.

user1473878824 · 21/12/2018 00:06

OP, I’m so sorry. All I can say is she’s a total cunt. You are not being unreasonable.

Celebelly · 21/12/2018 00:06

What a horrible woman. Ironically it would probably be good for her child's development to be around your twins. A diverse circle of acquaintances is important for kids – it's how they learn to communicate and learn about the world and widen their horizons. Does she think her child is going to catch ASD or something?

clairedelalune · 21/12/2018 00:06

Quite clearly she is not lovely. Ignorant, yes. Arrogant, yes. Lovely, no.
Please don't spend any more time worrying about this. She is not worth it. X

EdtheBear · 21/12/2018 00:07

YANBU she sounds ignorant. If she thinks her children are going to go through nursery and school without coming across ASD or ADHD kids she has another thing coming.

One other thing I can say is that kind of ignorance and rudeness a habit of biting people in the bum!

CardsforKittens · 21/12/2018 00:07

She's rude. And also she's wrong: being around children with SEN can be very good indeed for the development of empathy. Maybe she missed out on that opportunity when she was a child.

loubluee · 21/12/2018 00:07

She’s ignorant which means she’s fearful. That’s no excuse though. Sounds like you are better off without her.

Elphie54 · 21/12/2018 00:07

Perhaps there is an issue with your children playing together that she sees and you don’t? From this post it seems like you think your twins can do no wrong. Truth is, no kids are perfect and some people are just not going to want their children playing with other children (special needs or not).

I’m sorry if I have gotten the wrong impression.

OMGFFS · 21/12/2018 00:08

I know this isn’t polite but after her comment on “I don’t think my children should be around blah blah blah”

I’d punch her square in the mouth

Butterflycookie · 21/12/2018 00:08

Can’t believe she said that to you Shock

shouting · 21/12/2018 00:08

Her children will probably turn into narrowminded disablist dicks, just like her.

user1473878824 · 21/12/2018 00:09

@Elphie54 I would usually agree but did you not read what she said?!

fadehead · 21/12/2018 00:10

She’s a wanker. Your boys sound lush, and she’s the one missing out as I get the feeling from the tone of your posts that you’d be a lush friend. Her loss x

Flashingbeacon · 21/12/2018 00:10

Ds has a visual impairment, in P1 more than one parent explained they weren’t inviting him to birthday parties as it would be too much for him. That’s utter nonsense, but made it quite clear to me who was worth spending time on. At least it out in the open.

weebarra · 21/12/2018 00:11

I'm so sorry. It's not catching and her children will learn a lot from being around yours - and vice versa.

clairedelalune · 21/12/2018 00:11

I think i would also be tempted to say how relieved I was to her and explain that i wouldn't want my children hanging round with the children of someone so ignorant. (Though she would probably them ask what ignorant means)

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 21/12/2018 00:11

Kids with additional needs make great friend filters op. I'm sorry. She's a dick and you're better off without her.

Choccywoccyhooha · 21/12/2018 00:12

What a bitch. I have had it happen to me because of my ASD son, but not so directly and shamelessly.
Screw her.

Jamiefraserskilt · 21/12/2018 00:13

Wow. Drop like a stone. How could she be so ignorant? Once at school, her kids will meet children with all sorts of diagnoses. What is she going to do then? Ban them going in case their learning is held back? Kids don't care if the person is fun. They parallel play at that age anyway. Does she think it is catching?

Lindy2 · 21/12/2018 00:17

As a mum to a SEN child, I'm afraid this happens. It shouldn't but it does. It's not usually quite so blatent. It's best not to dwell on it and to simply try and form friendships with other more understanding people. At least you found out quite early on what type of person she is. Let's hope her own DC doesn't have any SEN in the future with such an intolerant mother.

GreenTulips · 21/12/2018 00:21

My friend gets this all the time. Her youngest has no friends and she isn't friends with any parents in that year group. Totally different to the other kids years.
One woman told her 'I've just spoken to the teachers and told them my DC aren't allowed to sit and work with yours' seemed proud of herself as well!!

Inclusive only works if schools reach parents as well.

scissorsandpen · 21/12/2018 00:21

I’m going to say she is very ignorant and that is so sad the way she feels. However misguided at least she was honest and didn’t leave you wondering. There are lots of threads here about ghosting and such like. Her opinion however does leave a lot to be desired and she lost a good friend in you ....

garethsouthgatesmrs · 21/12/2018 00:22

She is a horrible person. Hopefully someone on mumsnet can come up with a good reply for you. She really does need to be told @Elphie54 the boys are 2 so i doubt they are left unsupervised for ages. The OP will know how they interact with her friend's child.

It's a sad fact that people with special needs will suffer discrimination through their lives, sadly op this means that you will be their defender and sometimes things will happen which will break your heart. I am so sorry you've had to deal with this The world can be a cruel place.

HostessTrolley · 21/12/2018 00:31

My ASD kid was treated just like this. He’s in his second year of uni - he got an unconditional offer at his top choice uni for their master programme. He’s got a job alongside his course that pays him £20/hour for working in his room, in a highly respected team. He’s going to be in such a strong position, graduating with a masters with 4 years paid industry experience at the cutting edge. He’ll be able to go wherever he chooses. The mum that comes to mind that was this way with us, her son posts on social media about his drunken fights on a Friday night and asking people to lend him cash til payday. Hold your head up high and move on x

SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 00:41

Thanks everyone, really appreciate the support.

@Elphie of course I don’t think my twins can do no wrong - not even remotely close to what I think, believe me! They can drive me absolutely crackers. Like all two year olds they have their moments! !

I was just pointing out that they don’t have the stereotypical behaviours that uninformed people associate with ASD - they don’t have tantrums or meltdowns, they aren’t aggressive, don’t hit, don’t fight or snatch. They are happy 99% of the time.

They have their problems - more than their share in fact - but nothing that I could see would be a reason not to want your kids to be around them for fear they might pick up bad behaviour. In their case their difficulties present as severe delays in communication and very limited interest in people, and one has lots of sensory seeking behaviour but nothing that impacts negatively on others (mainly mouthing, and spinning, head tilting etc).

They’ve never been out of my sight for even two seconds when she and her children have been here so it’s not like I’ve missed something happening.

It’s just been a really tough few weeks and this has upset me more than I would have expected.

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