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Dumped by Mum friend due to kids having SEN - AIBU?

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SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 00:01

I have two year old twin boys who are absolutely wonderful. They are affectionate, funny and sweet but they both have difficulties. One has many health issues including a visual impairment and has recently been diagnosed with ASD. His brother is extremely bright but delayed in some areas and it’s looking likely he will be diagnosed with ASD too.

I made a lovely Mum friend about a year ago this year - we hit it off right away and would chat and visit often. She has two children, one is a similar age to my boys and one is younger.

She’s been very quiet recently, I know she’s had some other stuff going on - I’ve been supportive but obviously we haven’t known each other too long so I’ve just offered support whenever she needs it.

I haven’t seen her for a while and I messaged her recently asking if she’d like to meet up. She asked about the boys and I told her about the ASD diagnosis. She said that she doesn’t think we should hang out any more because it’s not good for her children’s development to “be around children who are challenged” (exact quote).

I could understand it if my boys had behavioural issues or were aggressive in some way but they aren’t at all - have never even pushed another child which I think is quite rare for toddlers! They don’t have tantrums or behave in a negative way that other kids could copy. They mainly just keep to themselves when others are around and don’t interact much, but I can’t see how that could be too damaging. When they come round it’s mainly for us to chat and the kids just play and do their own thing.

It has really deeply upset me - i’d rather she said she didn’t like me or some other personal issue with me. The thought that people are already using their difficulties to exclude them is just breaking my heart.

Is she being unreasonable or am I? Obviously I’m not going to stay in touch with her if this is how she feels, I’m just trying to get an unbiased opinion on whether she’s being reasonable here and whether this is just what’s going to keep happening now.

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Aeroflotgirl · 21/12/2018 12:26

Unless you have kids with SN, you have no idea how mean some people can be. Stuff you trolls. I have 2 with different SN!

SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 12:32

That’s interesting Boswell - some people have way too much time on their hands. Wish they could spend a few days dealing with my (sleep-allergic and oblivious to danger) twins.

One even said that this woman has dropped me because I’m a cunt - would be great to know what that’s based on. I figured troll hunting was limited to people posting obvious lies, but apparently if you just personally haven’t experienced something it must be nonsense. And if someone mentions twins on the Internet, they’re made up. I must warn my twin mum friends to stop sharing pictures of their imaginary children in case they get sectioned.

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IhateBoswell · 21/12/2018 12:37

That particular poster is vile, honestly. I just looked at the thread over there and some are saying they do believe you, not that it matters anyway when you know it happened.
I have a child with autism myself, so there was no doubt here you’re being truthful unfortunately Sad

IhateBoswell · 21/12/2018 12:40

One even said that this woman has dropped me because I’m a cunt

I must say though, that comment wasn’t to you. Childishly the reddit group has an enemy group also on reddit, and the OP of the thread about you aimed that comment at someone from the ‘enemy side’.

SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 12:42

Yeah, seems like a real piece of work.

The mentality that twins can exist in real life but must be fake when mentioned on the Internet is so bizarre - or do they think that twins are so pricey we can’t afford internet access? Despite what people say to me nearly every time I leave the sodding house, they are most definitely not “buy one get one free” 😂

Anyway, they can think what they like - I’ve had some wonderful support here and I really appreciate it. Thanks for talking some sense into me, and I’m so sorry that this isn’t uncommon. My boys are lovely, her children are lovely so it’s a real shame, but there are plenty of actually lovely people I can spend my time with.

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SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 12:42

Oh okay, that makes more sense I guess! An enemy group? Yikes 😂

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posthistoricmonsters · 21/12/2018 12:46

I'm with @clairedelalune here, I have SEN and so do my children (if I had been diagnosed before having children, I might have not chosen to procreate either -i was raised to believe I was lazy and naturally unlikable when actually I have ASD and ADHD) and I've learnt over the years that the people I used to spend so much time and worry I'm for their treatment of me, are not and never have or will be worth my time.

She has shown you her true colours early enough on. The borderline bit of me says to ditch and block her after telling her you're so very glad you've found out now a moment too late that she is a bigoted disablist cunt because it's not good for your children to be around such prejudiced and belittling subhumans.

posthistoricmonsters · 21/12/2018 12:46

*not a moment too late

EKGEMS · 21/12/2018 12:49

Jesus Christ! I've an 18-year old with severe disabilities and if someone said that to me I would be afraid of my reaction to this headless,callous bitch! You should respond that she has an even bigger disability that's incurable-hatred and ignorance! Sending you love from one special needs mom to another. Obviously she has never heard of SN mama bears!

SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 12:53

I’m sorry you weren’t diagnosed sooner post - the thought of my boys struggling without getting them help makes me so sad. It must have been so hard for you, and well done for getting help for your children and not continuing that cycle.

I’ve been working my arse off this year to try and get everything they need in place and it’s such an uphill battle but things are starting to come together now finally. One of my boys said his first proper word in about 10 months yesterday (he was starting to talk before his regression so it’s like we are back to where we were a year ago but I’m celebrating every tiny bit of progress right now).

You are absolutely right of course - unfortunately due to issues in my own upbringing I’m a people pleaser and really struggle to think that people don’t like me, even if I don’t like them which is ridiculous. I’m slowly growing out of it - in this case I would have much preferred her to say she didn’t like me than that my children are inherently a negative influence on others!

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Lazybonita · 21/12/2018 12:54

The woman is a total cunt. Anyone trying to justify her behaviour is also behaving like a dick. There are good people out there, you will find them.

akerman · 21/12/2018 12:57

My heart breaks for you, OP.
Your boys sound absolutely wonderful, and children with ASD and special needs so often go on to have fulfilling, rich lives - so much testimony of that on this thread. But it is so, so hurtful. My own SEN boy is the sweetest, funniest, most imaginative boy in the world (I realise I may be biased) and has always struggled with peer groups. And while he's known real unhappiness as a result of this, he's incredibly empathetic and open to absolute happiness and joy as well.
I really hope that that 'friend' of yours reads this thread. She should hang her head in shame.

RB68 · 21/12/2018 12:57

Did you know being gifted and talented is considered a special need? All SEN means is something out of the middle of the road bog standard education is needed.

We had a whole class party when DD was around 8 or 9 can't recall, we did invite every single child and they ALL came, there were at least 2 with SEN and I suspect another two on the higher performance side. I had one parent come and effusively thank me at the end (they had also stayed to the party even though I said was happy for them to leave, they felt they didn't dare) all I had done was notice when her by was getting a bit too OTT and as he is a helpful soul at heart had asked him to come and give me a hand with some chore to do with party - think it was putting cake in bags and counting children and bags to make sure no one was missed (which was really all sorted) but just took him out of the picture for 10 minutes and calmed him down, he got on well with DD and the two of them sorted all the bags and children at the end which was sweet to watch. I did have helpers who were teachers so it was an energetic outside party lots of food and activities so was easy to pull him inside for 10 mins on his own

Branleuse · 21/12/2018 12:58

im sorry shes been such an utter dick. Its heartbreaking.

I would just reply Ok Wow

RB68 · 21/12/2018 12:58

sorry just also wanted to say let her go and don't worry about it. Find your own real friends

greyfriarskitty · 21/12/2018 12:58

Christ on a bike. My daughter's much older now, but went to the childminder alongside a kid with Downs Syndrome, she's had three friends with ASD diagnoses in her life. All of these have been great experiences for her - and not just because she's had her experience of life enlarged, but because she has had a wonderful time with all of them. FFS.

DeepanKrispanEven · 21/12/2018 13:01

I'd be tempted to respond to the effect that, contrary to what she says, it is very good indeed for NT children to be around those with "challenges" as it helps them to realise that everyone differs, and in particular helps them to develop empathy. Go on to sympathise with her that obviously her parents also deprived her of the opportunity to develop it.

DarlingNikita · 21/12/2018 13:02

She's a cunt and I pity her children, who will presumably learn the same attitudes.

LightTripper · 21/12/2018 13:04

I am so sorry - that is awful. My DD is autistic too and we've been very lucky with our true friends but I've no doubt some people think like this about us in private. The only silver lining that I can find is that she told you to your face what an awful person she is, rather than you finding out later and second hand when your DSs might have got more attached to her DC...

To be honest I feel sorry for her DC if she is going to be policing their friendships at age 2 to make sure they only play with kids who are somehow going to advance their development (she obviously also isn't too bothered about their development into open-hearted and open-minded individuals who can see the value in diversity...)

I would be tempted to send a very cutting response (like "Just wow... thanks for telling me who you really are I guess") but although it would be cathartic I can't imagine it will do any good.

There are lots of lovely people in the world who won't be like this xx

99RedBalloonsFloating · 21/12/2018 13:05

My younger sister is autistic and as a young person I sometimes had to drop friends who couldn't show tolerance and inclusion. It's not a sad thing - your children are a litmus test of people's true character and you will naturally shed people like this friend who don't make the grade.

LightTripper · 21/12/2018 13:05

RB68 that's a great story - you're clearly a very good observer! I'm not surprised the other Mum appreciated it.

SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 13:20

It’s really reassuring to know that there are so many lovely people here who would never behave like this. To be fair she’s the only person who’s reacted negatively, my other friends have been very supportive so far. Although I don’t have much family and my brother hasn’t seen them for a year - we are having lunch tomorrow so I pre-warned him about the fact that their behaviour is very different now than it was then, explained the diagnosis and that he shouldn’t be offended if they don’t interact with him at all. He’s read it but not responded - tomorrow should be fun!

It’s interesting what you’re saying about gifted children also having SEN. As things stand I think it’s possible that one of them will end up being very gifted in a few specific areas. He’s not been seen by many professionals since being discharged from the neonatal team at 1, as it’s only becoming clear now that there are problems. He’s only had his 27 month check and an assessment by portage, but they were both shocked by some of his skills which are very advanced for his age, but his communication and social skills are even further behind his brother who’s delayed across the board. So it seems likely to me that he will show more intelligence but struggle more with people, whereas his twin will probably continue to be delayed everywhere but he’s definitely a bit more sociable than his brother. They are so different.

Agh, I’m rambling now. It’s been a crappy crappy few weeks. Just going to put it behind me and try to enjoy Christmas and focus on what we can do next year. Maybe at some point I will unblock her and give her a piece of my mind but it feels rather pointless. Looking back there were maybe a few clues (she once criticised the birthday gifts her son received because they didn’t fit in with her “heuristic play ethos” and I thought it was a bit OTT) but overall she’s been so sweet in the past that this just completely threw me.

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roundturnandtwohalfhitches · 21/12/2018 13:21

It sounds like you have a huge amount to deal with and this woman is a cow. She's the person who thinks her kids will catch ASD. Like the people who ignore you when you're sick or cross the road when you are bereaved. They might catch illness or death or bad luck. They don't want to look at the less than perfect things in life- if they cant see them then they don't exist and they don't need to put themselves out to help. I have absolutely no time for these people. It's best you know now. I would reply however- no way I'd leave it without a parting shot.

roundturnandtwohalfhitches · 21/12/2018 13:22

And have a Happy Christmas OP!!

thesnapandfartisinfallible · 21/12/2018 13:23

It isn't good for them to be around utter cunts either but you can't choose your parents...

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