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Dumped by Mum friend due to kids having SEN - AIBU?

167 replies

SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 00:01

I have two year old twin boys who are absolutely wonderful. They are affectionate, funny and sweet but they both have difficulties. One has many health issues including a visual impairment and has recently been diagnosed with ASD. His brother is extremely bright but delayed in some areas and it’s looking likely he will be diagnosed with ASD too.

I made a lovely Mum friend about a year ago this year - we hit it off right away and would chat and visit often. She has two children, one is a similar age to my boys and one is younger.

She’s been very quiet recently, I know she’s had some other stuff going on - I’ve been supportive but obviously we haven’t known each other too long so I’ve just offered support whenever she needs it.

I haven’t seen her for a while and I messaged her recently asking if she’d like to meet up. She asked about the boys and I told her about the ASD diagnosis. She said that she doesn’t think we should hang out any more because it’s not good for her children’s development to “be around children who are challenged” (exact quote).

I could understand it if my boys had behavioural issues or were aggressive in some way but they aren’t at all - have never even pushed another child which I think is quite rare for toddlers! They don’t have tantrums or behave in a negative way that other kids could copy. They mainly just keep to themselves when others are around and don’t interact much, but I can’t see how that could be too damaging. When they come round it’s mainly for us to chat and the kids just play and do their own thing.

It has really deeply upset me - i’d rather she said she didn’t like me or some other personal issue with me. The thought that people are already using their difficulties to exclude them is just breaking my heart.

Is she being unreasonable or am I? Obviously I’m not going to stay in touch with her if this is how she feels, I’m just trying to get an unbiased opinion on whether she’s being reasonable here and whether this is just what’s going to keep happening now.

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Elphie54 · 21/12/2018 00:43

Granted this woman sounds like a bitch, but we also have only one side of the story.

One of my cousins childen is 2 and has special needs. Sweet child, most of the time. Some of the time though? He is a holy terror. Hitting other children and adults, not listening, hitting the family dog etc. my cousin refuses to acknowledge this and when someone brings it to her attention, she says “oh no, he is very sweet, just has some developmental issues”. Not saying this is the case here, but it isn’t unheard of.

No one should be excluded for having special needs.

Nanny0gg · 21/12/2018 00:47

What on earth did you say to the bitch?

SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 00:47

Thanks so much everyone - I know you’re all right. It’s just hard to have the things you worry about actually happen.

Hostess that’s fantastic - you must be so incredibly proud of him. One of my boys is a conundrum - shows crazy intelligence in some areas but then can’t do basic things like copying. I feel less concerned about his future than I do about his brother, who had a massive regression and I just don’t know how he’ll be affected going forwards but we are working so hard to help them progress and I’m hoping it will pay off. I just want them to be happy and the thought that no one will want to play with them makes me so sad.

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MovingNextYearHopefully · 21/12/2018 00:47

What a cunt. Xmas Angry I feel your pain. I have 2 ASD kids myself. Mine are late teens now. It doesn't get any easier I'm afraid!

Cherries101 · 21/12/2018 00:49

Considering this is the age when MH and SEN issues do emerge in kids, she’s in for a rude awakening if her kids get diagnosed with anything. I suggest showing her message to the teachers in case her disablist attitude ends up resulting in her kids bullying yours.

SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 00:51

I was so shocked I didn’t really say anything. She was so pleasant and sounded so reasonable that I was just caught completely off guard.

Elphie, I do understand what you’re saying and I would understand it more if they were like that - but my boys are around each other 24/7 and they’ve never done anything worse than nick food from the other’s plate or snatch a bottle from the other. Definitely not aggressive in any way with each other or with anyone else.

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MilkyCuppa · 21/12/2018 00:53

they don’t have the stereotypical behaviours that uninformed people associate with ASD - they don’t have tantrums or meltdowns, they aren’t aggressive, don’t hit, don’t fight or snatch.

Stereotypes exist precisely because a lot of people think that way. When you mention ASD most people with no experience will assume aggression, tantrums, meltdowns, etc. If she genuinely thinks that’s what ASD is about then I can understand why she felt she needed to keep her DC away.

SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 00:57

The only thing I can think of that she might be worried about is the fact that one of them does mouth items constantly and maybe she thinks her DC might copy this? I don’t think that’s likely though, I think they’re either compelled to do it or they’re not (his twin hasn’t copied it but then he doesn’t really pay much attention to him).

It doesn’t matter really I guess. Just feels like an excuse but then I think if you were going to lie and make up an excuse that’s the last thing you’d say! At least she was honest and now I know, but it still hurts - mainly because I’m already so worried about their future.

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Coldshoulders · 21/12/2018 00:59

My son was diagnosed with asd at 2 years old, he's 8 now. Unfortunately you occasionally come across people like that, It's horrible but it's true. I myself would be very upset by that comment. Op tell this mum friend to go fuck herself and delete her number. Sorry for being so blunt but that's really angered me and i feel upset for you. You wouldn't want a friend who looks at your children that way anyway and she's done you a favour letting u know how she feels so u can get rid. You deserve good friends who will support you through whatever. I myself have had a few instances of cf people. But they honestly don't matter you will make some better more understanding decent friends along the way and in the end you will pity her and her horrible shitty views. I would get rid of her and i hope your ok. X

SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 01:00

But Milky she’s spent so much time with them that she knows they don’t act that way - loads of play dates all through the year and none of the kids have had any negative interactions at all. if they did I would totally understand the concern, although of course it would still be painful for me I would understand the reason.

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SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 01:01

Thanks coldshoulders I know you’re absolutely right. I hope your son is doing okay at the moment Flowers

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Leeds2 · 21/12/2018 01:06

I think you are well rid. She sounds a thoroughly unpleasant woman.

MilkyCuppa · 21/12/2018 01:07

But Milky she’s spent so much time with them that she knows they don’t act that way

Perhaps the stereotype is so deeply ingrained that she thinks that sort of behaviour will emerge in due course?

Armchairanarchist · 21/12/2018 01:08

She's a dick! YANBU

SleepingStandingUp · 21/12/2018 01:12

She's a bitch but at least for your sake she's an honest bitch. Definitely not your loss!!

My 3.5 yo is complex, he isn't really interested in socialising, talking to other kids, doesn't really play with other kids has major speech delay etc. We have a couple of NCT friends who've known us since birth who are cool with it, their kids just get on with it, we still share in their achievements and ours, even though they are different. There are sensible, reasonable people out there.

God help her if any of hers have any SEN growing up, she'll probably be G
convinced she caught it from you!!

Coldshoulders · 21/12/2018 01:13

I had a few negative experiences but the one that stuck with me was I met up with an old school friend she met my son who was 3 at the time. Wasn't much awareness about autism back then and my son was non verbal. She then went home, lived in another town and decided to post a lovley status on fb about what a bad mum I am and no wonder my son can't speak with a mother like me, etc etc. Ripped me to bits. 3 years later and i hear her child has been diagnosed with asd and she's going through everything I did 3 years previous. She did contact me out the blue and apologised. Suppose all I can say is it's a bumpy road but a rewarding one. You will find out who your true friends are and you will get a few nasty dickhead people but that's just life. I learned to get a thick skin with people who don't understand what asd parents go through. Fuck her it's her loss all the best op x

Playdonut · 21/12/2018 01:23

When you are on the end of a stuck up fucking dingleberry deciding that your wonderful, amazing children are people to avoid it really, really hurts.

There are unfortunately so many bad people in this world that It's a 10000% certainty that she will be feeling just how you are one day after someone takes against one of her kids.

It's not personal, it's not a reflection on your twins, who sound fantastic btw and it's a good thing you have found out her true colours now.

Get some rest and look after yourself and don't give this another thought. You sound like you have a busy life, remember to take care of yourself x

Playdonut · 21/12/2018 01:24

My kids don't have sen btw and it's happened to me too, even though my kids are very nice imho! X

hmmhohmmm · 21/12/2018 01:33

I'm so sorry OP she sounds absolutely vile and like she's done you a favour displaying her true colours now. You don't need people like that!

DS doesn't have any additional needs but several friends that do... he has been really lucky to have them in his life and she's the one who loses out here

user1474894224 · 21/12/2018 01:48

Wow - she sounds delightful. All I can add is that it's hard to make real mum friends. But when you do they will be there for you all the time.
I had a lovely group of new mum friends from anti-natel. So I thought. We spend lots of time together - until we were trying to sort out an event and one of the mums declined to meet at a weekend because they saved that time for 'real family friends'......Some people are just odd B**es.

Yohooo · 21/12/2018 01:53

OP, I'm a bit confused if she messaged you or if she spoke to you in person. You seem to say both things happened - if it was a message then is it possible it's just a typo or mistake. I can make a complete hash of messages and forget to proof read.

Otherwise it really is too weird.

WonderTweek · 21/12/2018 01:55

She sounds like an arse. Block, ignore and move on. I'm sure most people aren't like her and you'll find better friends eventually. Your boys sound lovely and they're lucky to have a mum like you looking out for them. Flowers

Yohooo · 21/12/2018 01:57

Also, I really hope you started this thread more for a chat and some support rather than because you are genuinely worried that you think she might be being 'reasonable' in sending that message to you. I know we all have moments of self doubt but some things are so crazy that it's sad that you are second guessing yourself.

IntoTheDeep · 21/12/2018 02:02

I’m sorry OP, some people can be so horrible and prejudiced about these things.

I guess at least you know not to waste any more of your time on this woman.

Lofari · 21/12/2018 02:03

Fuck her and the horse she rode in on. My son is 3.5 has ASD and doesn't speak a word. He squeals, spins, mouths anything and everything. I totally agree that people look at him differently, And he is different to their perceived norm. But he is also the most amazing bullshit radar and honestly if he doesn't like the vibe someone gives off he won't go near them.
I have lost a lot of friends (and family) over his diagnosis and it's made me a very blunt person. He has no voice so I am it.
This woman sounds abhorrent