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AIBU?

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Dumped by Mum friend due to kids having SEN - AIBU?

167 replies

SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 00:01

I have two year old twin boys who are absolutely wonderful. They are affectionate, funny and sweet but they both have difficulties. One has many health issues including a visual impairment and has recently been diagnosed with ASD. His brother is extremely bright but delayed in some areas and it’s looking likely he will be diagnosed with ASD too.

I made a lovely Mum friend about a year ago this year - we hit it off right away and would chat and visit often. She has two children, one is a similar age to my boys and one is younger.

She’s been very quiet recently, I know she’s had some other stuff going on - I’ve been supportive but obviously we haven’t known each other too long so I’ve just offered support whenever she needs it.

I haven’t seen her for a while and I messaged her recently asking if she’d like to meet up. She asked about the boys and I told her about the ASD diagnosis. She said that she doesn’t think we should hang out any more because it’s not good for her children’s development to “be around children who are challenged” (exact quote).

I could understand it if my boys had behavioural issues or were aggressive in some way but they aren’t at all - have never even pushed another child which I think is quite rare for toddlers! They don’t have tantrums or behave in a negative way that other kids could copy. They mainly just keep to themselves when others are around and don’t interact much, but I can’t see how that could be too damaging. When they come round it’s mainly for us to chat and the kids just play and do their own thing.

It has really deeply upset me - i’d rather she said she didn’t like me or some other personal issue with me. The thought that people are already using their difficulties to exclude them is just breaking my heart.

Is she being unreasonable or am I? Obviously I’m not going to stay in touch with her if this is how she feels, I’m just trying to get an unbiased opinion on whether she’s being reasonable here and whether this is just what’s going to keep happening now.

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NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 21/12/2018 02:30

the increadably sad thing here, this wonans chipdren are going to grow up thinking its ok to discrimante against not just people (not just children) with ASC'S but any disablity, that expressing views like its not good to hang out with people who behave and think differently (disablity or not).

The very fact that OP has to ask if its her tjats being unreasonable, shows that we've already comditioned each other to think that ASC is inheritally bad and odd, so do slme of these replies. Thats sad.

No OP your not unreasonable, whats bad for your children is hanging out with some one as ignorant and bigoted as her, i dont feel sorry for you or your boys, because shes done you a massive favour. I feel.sorry for her children who are going to grow up thinking this view is ok.

Sleepyblueocean · 21/12/2018 06:18

It's not good for your children to spend time around someone like her and her children - it's likely her children will develop the bigoted attitude of their mother. You are better off out of it.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 21/12/2018 06:26

She is a total cunt
Not many people are this vile in RL
I am
Sorry 😐

Hurtful , disappointing . The world needs better people than her

Yulebealrite · 21/12/2018 07:48

That thick skin is having to develop, but it'll be painful among the way. So sorry. Flowers

Pachyderm1 · 21/12/2018 07:49

She’s horrible and a bigot. I’m so sorry you and your kids encountered that attitude Sad

AndItStillSaidFourOfTwo · 21/12/2018 07:54

Time for that MN standard: she's told you who she is - listen to her and offload her from your life.
It's her children who risk being the bad influence, if they pick up on attitudes like that. Poor kids.

I suspect she's in for some shocks during the course of her parenting life. .

sabrinathethirtysomethingwitch · 21/12/2018 07:59

What a horrible horrible person 😢. Her poor child being raised by a mother like that. Thanks for you OP and your lovely boys.

DocusDiplo · 21/12/2018 07:59

Must admit i distanced myself from a kid about 6 yrs ago as this kid would repeatedly tell me to shut up, like a broken record, spit, tell his mum to shut up, throw stuff around in my house. At that time I honestly did not know the reason and I think the boy only got a diagnosis a few years later at school. The mum seemed very wishy washy and gentle with her attitude to his behaviour. I do now look back and feel a bit guilty. But I know now the mum kept his diagnosis a secret too which is not a great idea IMO.

Anyway, I am really sorry this woman has been horrid to you and insulted and rejected your children - its one of the lowest blows ever. I might send her an article of your choice about prejudice, what the diagnosis is to her her understand and then find good friends who are not twats. Your boys sound very sweet. Well done for raising twins - admire parents of twins alot!!

Augusta2012 · 21/12/2018 08:04

Reply ‘Okay, fair enough. I don’t think it’s good for children to be around bigots or the unintelligent so I agree our friendship has run its course’.

Aeroflotgirl · 21/12/2018 08:06

She had shown her true colours, not a very nice woman. You are best off without her. I wod send her this quote. I would not change my children for the world, but I wish I cod change the world for my childten!

MakeAHouseAHome · 21/12/2018 08:07

It is sad she was so blunt/rude about it. But it is upto her who her children socialise with at the end of the day.

I am sure your children will find other nice friends.

BunsOfAnarchy · 21/12/2018 08:24

Id be inclined to reply back 'you're a cunt'.

Block that bitch. You dont need twats like that in your life.

strawberryredhead · 21/12/2018 08:32

Your children sound lovely, OP.
I feel sorry for this woman’s kids - that these are the values she’s raising them with.
Just carry on enjoying your wonderful boys and don’t let people like her make you bitter or angry. Her behaviour is shocking but somehow she can’t see it.

Pfingstrose · 21/12/2018 08:35

Struggling to get my head around her attitude?!

So your kids were ok to play with hers previously, but because they now have a diagnosis they are going to negatively impact hers by default? Bonkers.

Childhood development is about so much more than hitting milestones. It prepares you for life, and life isn't filled with neuro-typical people.

gamerchick · 21/12/2018 08:38

Are you the friend MilkyCuppa? Confused

OP I can think of several replies to that text if you want them. Unfortunately you will get people who will instantly behave as though autism is catching. You can do without that in your life. Ask your pediatrician if there are any support groups local to you. They are invaluable.

Didiplanthis · 21/12/2018 08:47

Hello. I have twins too both with ASD. Mine are 7 and are very bright and hard-working do very well at school and extremely well behaved at school.and very rule bound. They are never violent but they are anxious and cry easily as very emotionaly labile and dont always understand the playground 'rules'. They are excluded from stuff too. But boy twins often have a hard time anyway as they are often classed as trouble by complete strangers when they are just standing nicely. People don't want to deal with 2 but won't ask just one so both get left out. I've got a few really good Friends but you will find the judgemental ones all the way through.

SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 08:47

Yohoo - sorry it wasn’t clear, it was by text. I just meant the tone of her message sounded so pleasant and reasonable overall, it was just hard to believe this was in the middle of it. I just haven’t replied and don’t think I’m going to.

I think this is why I’m struggling to to deal with it - she’s always genuinely seemed lovely, empathetic etc, I just can’t understand how it’s the same person to be honest.

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AlwaysWantedToBeATenenbaum · 21/12/2018 08:49

You are in no way being unreasonable- she most definitely is. What a horrible horrible person. You don’t need someone like her in your life - people should be teaching their kids to be friends with everyone, not to avoid people because of certain things. That must of been a horrible thing to hear and I’m so mad on your behalf xx

SleepingStandingUp · 21/12/2018 08:50

don’t have tantrums or meltdowns, they aren’t aggressive, don’t hit, don’t fight or snatch

If she genuinely thinks that’s what ASD is about then I can understand why she felt she needed to keep her DC away

Fgs most of that list her kids will do just by being kids. You make it sound like it's OK then for her to treat OP and her boys like this!! Even without SEN 2 yos have tantrums and meltdowns (today's was be a use I couldn't find the third pj mask in the dark after he'd been awake a whole 3 minutes), thry hit and snatch because their brains can't deal with all the complexities of sharing and turn taking.
By her logic she should keep her kdis locked away and from each other for the next decade at least

OnAScaleOf1to10ItsA7 · 21/12/2018 08:53

Thsts awful, just awful OP. I’m so sorry. What a horrible bitch.

PatchworkElmer · 21/12/2018 08:57

What a horrible woman! You’re better off without her.

I ageee with others who say that it would most likely be beneficial for her children. My DS goes to nursery with a boy with additional needs, and I think that this is a very good thing. I grew up with a friend who has autism, and we are still in touch now. She’s a lovely person and I’m lucky to know her.

WhoKnewBeefStew · 21/12/2018 08:57

Wow, just wow. What a horrible individual. You are better off without her, as are your DTs.

I think she needs to look at her own behaviour and how that will affect her dc, and modify that rather than worrying about how other people’s children may affect hers!

Aeroflotgirl · 21/12/2018 09:21

I would also reply, that yes, being around the twins would be great for your kids development, as they will learn empathy, kindness and acceptance, something you don't have! Wow nasty woman!

Aeroflotgirl · 21/12/2018 09:22

Bet she is one of those, who will invite all class to their child's party, except the children with special needs.

SinkGirl · 21/12/2018 09:23

Thank you. I realise now my post themselves may sound a bit ableist since I’m querying whether this is reasonable behaviour on her part - to be clear, I do know it’s not reasonable to cut children out of your life purely because they have a diagnosis. I was just so taken aback by it and so upset that I felt like maybe I was missing something because I’m so close to the situation.

I’m also sorry if it sounds like I’m a blinkered Mum who doesn’t see her children’s bad qualities - I honestly do! It’s just that the difficulties we do have with them aren’t the typical ones you might think of when you hear ASD. They really are either lovely to be around or just indifferent to you, maybe that’s it, maybe she doesn’t like her children being ignored? I can’t see hang trait rubbing off on an NT child though.

Oh well. I’m not replying, I’ve blocked her - this morning I’m just glad I know this now before I wasted more time on her.

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