To wonder how much longer school will do nativity plays?

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As there is no biblical scripture to show Jesus was born at the time of the winter solstice. Surely it’s just teaching creationism or that the world is flat?

I KNOW theyre British 53rd but the common denominator in the majority of them is that they’re muslim militants, which was in answer to someone else way up thread.

So when you asked me for examples of terrorist attacks committed by British people, by ‘British’ you meant ‘non-Muslim’?

FFS it's a story. Stories explain who we are, if not in the literal sense, as much as anything. When we can't do stories we will have lost something human.

53rd, yes, i meant non militant muslim attacks, cause it pertained to something up thread, in order to show who commits the most. Why did you feel the need to show attacks by non muslims. I had been talking about the current terror threat to the uk by organised terror groups.

Why did you feel the need to show attacks by non muslims

Because what you asked me for was examples of attacks by British people. Not ‘by Muslims’, or ‘by non-Muslims’. By British people.

I notice you haven’t given any evidence to back up your claim of Muslim-only housing estates being built by a HA in London, either...

Yes that was because you’d made a point of differentiating between the two. I had been talking about islamic militant attacks and you brought up attacks by British men which was irrelevant and unnecessary, and also as if it was a separate group, which threw me out.

I’d still like to hear about the North London housing association building houses for Muslims only.

cosysock your dislike of muslims is coming through loud and clear, it isnt very christian of you considering the season but hypocrisy in christians is always high in my experience.

What @Doghorsechicken said

If you are celebrating Christmas why would a nativity offend you?

Can we just acknowledge here that we are celebrating the Christ birth.

I agree with all the comments around slating religion. You can say what you like about the Christians but don't dare to other religious folk.

Here you go, from the housing association's own website: "NLMHA was set up in 1988 and has developed into a significant provider of housing to meet the needs of the wider Community irrespective of race, gender, disability, belief, sexual orientation, age or socio-economic background."

It took me under thirty seconds to locate that quote BTW.

“I agree with all the comments around slating religion. You can say what you like about the Christians but don't dare to other religious folk.”
I dare. What would you like me to say to who?
@cosysock - any comments on your Muslim housing estate?

@TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu

Assuming you're addressing the assertion by @cosysock (Do you mean the North London Muslim Housing Association? If they are building houses for Muslims only they are breaking the law and should be challenged in the courts. Are they doing that?)

then unless my critical faculties are completely shot, the text you have posted:

"NLMHA was set up in 1988 and has developed into a significant provider of housing to meet the needs of the wider Community irrespective of race, gender, disability, belief, sexual orientation, age or socio-economic background."

Seems only to back up my gut feeling it was nonsense from the gecko.

It took me under thirty seconds to locate that quote BTW.

Not really sure of the relevance of that . If someone makes an assertion - especially one which is incendiary - then it behoves that person to back it up. Part of the wider mess we're in is due to people being allowed to spout absolute bollocks with no comeback whatsoever.

A few years ago, I caught a local radio chart show ... I was quite impressed with the host, as any caller whose proof for their argument (it was about halal meat, so a lot of ignorance being paraded) was "Google it mate" got cut off - as they rightly should have.

Um @DGROssetti yes I'm on your side, I was demonstrating that it was incendiary and highly unlikely bollocks that could be proved wrong with a cursory Google

hypocrisy in christians is always high in my experience.

As it is also in non-Christians IMO.

@TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu

Ah, thanks - it's true you lose some subtleties over the wire

There are two ways forward now. The PP whose assertion has now been question (if not completely discounted) can add that fact to their life story, and at the very least not repeat it again (I guess it's probably too much to expect them to then go on to correct all their friends who think the same).

Alternatively, they can dip out of sight again (maybe that's why MN has namechanging) and then pop up a few days/weeks/later spouting exactly the same bollocks. Only in my view, at that point, they have marked themselves out as deliberately ignorant and therefore deserving of words to indicate a slightly lower level of intelligence than is useful.

Past experience suggest the latter (but maybe that's because I know too many Brexiteers )

(Incidentally, your username reads like I should know it ... is it a quote ?)

Not a quote, it's the French equivalent of "Your mum on toast". It's a recent name change.

As it is also in non-Christians IMO.

The reason I say christians are hypocrits is because of quotes like

ephesians 4:31-32
galatians 6:2
luke 12:33

theres probably loads more but thats off the top of my head I have never met a single christian that lives by these ideals but they are very quick to others that dont

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theres probably loads more but thats off the top of my head I have never met a single christian that lives by these ideals but they are very quick to others that dont

Most "Christians" are a pick'n'mix bunch ... quite selective about which bits of the Bible they chose to believe. For a start, what happened to the prohibitions listed in Leviticus ?

Now if someone said to me that the New Testament superseded the old (bit like Windows Updates) then I might see an internal logic in the system. But creationists seem to need the Old Testament, otherwise their beliefs look distinctly loopy.

Given how much the Bible dictates slaves should be treated (male and female - it's quite detailed about the genders of slaves ) then pointing to Christianity as somehow "abolishing" slavery is a little akin to an arsonist who works for the fire brigade.

And I am still fascinated by the resident alien in the town ?

Campaigners such as Charles Wesley and William Wilberforce had a strong Christian faith and Wilberforce did put pressure on the government to think about abolition of slavery.

Campaigners such as Charles Wesley and William Wilberforce had a strong Christian faith and Wilberforce did put pressure on the government to think about abolition of slavery.

I know. However, it;s notable that Christianity was slightly less slow in allowing all the countries of Europe to start the slave trade ? Despite St. Patricks notable crusade against it in the dark ages.

yes, much of the abolitionist movement was pretty strongly Christian, in Britain and the US at least. (And slaveowners likewise used the Bible to argue why they should be allowed to keep slaves.) I wouldn’t say that Christianity abolished slavery, but certainly a lot of abolitionists would have considered their Christian faith fundamental to what they were doing.

I wouldn’t say that Christianity abolished slavery, but certainly a lot of abolitionists would have considered their Christian faith fundamental to what they were doing

And some abolitionists were also atheists ...notably the French in 1791 for whom abolition was a political issue, not a religious one.

Yes of course some were atheists! I’m not claiming that abolitionism was solely a Christian idea, just that for a lot of abolitionists, Christianity was part of their reasoning for abolitionism and not an irrelevant factor.