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To wonder how much longer school will do nativity plays?

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GreatestShowUnicorn · 20/12/2018 14:03

As there is no biblical scripture to show Jesus was born at the time of the winter solstice. Surely it’s just teaching creationism or that the world is flat?

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cosysock · 22/12/2018 10:07

It bothers me that we have people sleeping on the streets, it bothers me that we have a “royal” family who we throw millions at every year......in the big scheme of things, not getting a school of your choice might be unfair but compared to other things that are unfair it’s not a huge deal. We could literally go on all day about the unfairness in this world. But to put it in perspective, would you think it unfair if you lived in Iran but you couldn’t find the school of your choice, because really they have no obligation to supply you with one. The same could be said here, but it isn’t. Can’t you just be content with what you have. None of us get it all.

mothertruck3r · 22/12/2018 10:13

It bothers me that people can live next door to a state funded school and not get a place because they are not of the right faith.

There are just as many children of religious families who can't get into good non-religious state schools because they live out of the catchment, catchment being dominated by middle class wealthy families who can afford to rent for a few months in the area to get into the good schools.

Not really surprising that many poorer religious families opt for religious schools when they have no chance of getting into the oversubscribed local primary reserved for wealthy middle class families who play the system.

So most people have a choice of either getting their child into a good state school by being religious or by being wealthy.

SegmentationFault · 22/12/2018 10:21

"As explained by D'Souza, before the Chistian era, pederasty and homosexuality were not considered wrong".

Can't see the problem with the latter. But then the website you lifted that wall of text from without bothering to cite it disagrees.

www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/gay-rights

"Statistics show that homosexual behavior is marked by death, disease, disappointment, promiscuity, perversity, addiction, and misery. The real threat to persons in the homosexual lifestyle does not seem to be discrimination, but physical devastation."
Lovely.

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 22/12/2018 10:27

Wow, that's a lovely Christian attitude right there.

BertrandRussell · 22/12/2018 10:28

“Can’t you just be content with what you have. None of us get it all.”

Agreed. But when it comes to state education in the UK, Christians get 30% more than non Christians. It does not reflect well on those Christians who think this is OK.

woodhill · 22/12/2018 10:49

You do need to read the whole thing about homosexuality on that website to put it into context.

Some Christians see any sex outside of marriage as a sin as do other faiths

BertrandRussell · 22/12/2018 10:59

“Statistics show that homosexual behavior is marked by death, disease, disappointment, promiscuity, perversity, addiction, and misery.”

But I have to read it in context? Grin

mothertruck3r · 22/12/2018 11:01

Agreed. But when it comes to state education in the UK, Christians get 30% more than non Christians. It does not reflect well on those Christians who think this is OK.

What exactly do you mean by this? Do Christian denominated state schools get more funding than Jewish, Hindu or Muslim state schools? Are you sure about that? Pretty sure Jewish schools get a lot of extra funding for security etc.

woodhill · 22/12/2018 11:05

I know Bertrand, it's not great but did you look at the first bitSmile

SegmentationFault · 22/12/2018 11:11

The bit about Christians believing everyone is a sinner? I don't see how that puts the claim that gay people are more likely to be child molesters in a different context.

BertrandRussell · 22/12/2018 11:19

30% of state schools have a faith admissions criterion. That means that even if I lived next door, I would be lower down the waiting list than a faith family that lived a mile away.

GirlsBlouse17 · 22/12/2018 11:22

But when it comes to state education in the UK, Christians get 30% more than non Christians

What evidence do you have for this? It's not something I've heard of. However, if it is true then campaign against it.

As a Christian, I have no issue with homosexuality. Some Christians may do but there are many non Christians who have issues against homosexuality too

BertrandRussell · 22/12/2018 11:30

“However, if it is true then campaign against it”

Why don’t you campaign against it too?

GirlsBlouse17 · 22/12/2018 11:42

Show me the evidence then maybe I will

BertrandRussell · 22/12/2018 11:47

What, evidence that 30% of state schools have a faith admissions criterion? Hmm

BertrandRussell · 22/12/2018 11:53

This is from Wiki- it’s old but the figures have barely changed. There are loads of more up to date references, but this is nice and compact.
“The two main providers of faith schools in England are the Church of England and the Catholic Education Service. In 2011, about one third of the 20,000 state funded schools in England were faith schools, approximately 7,000 in total, of which 68% were Church of England schools and 30% were Roman Catholic.”

GirlsBlouse17 · 22/12/2018 11:54

Whatever. You're saying Christians get 30% more than non Christians. If there is evidence of unfairness in the system, then that is not right

53rdWay · 22/12/2018 12:01

How do the faith admissions criteria work? Would the Catholic kids qualify for the CofE schools and vice versa, or do they go by church attendance or baptism or something?

cosysock · 22/12/2018 12:03

Why don’t we all go out campaigning, i’m sure we all have something to feel aggrieved out.

BertrandRussell · 22/12/2018 12:14

Cosysock-this thread is about Christianity in British society. This bit is about faith education. Yes, there are loads of things people could be campaigning about. I find the fact that you are deflecting from the unfairness of faith school admissions very telling. And that is even before we get to the point that all state schools are nominally Christina and require Christian worship, even if the admissions criteria are not faith related.

BertrandRussell · 22/12/2018 12:16

53rdway-it depends on the school. But usually all Christian faiths, regardless of flavour, take priority over people with no faith. The school’s particular branch comes first then all the others. Then the heathen.....

CountFosco · 22/12/2018 12:32

If faith schiols are a third of all schools in England then Christians get 50 % more schools, not 30% more. Or atheists have 30% less to choose from. Percentages vary depending which figure is your starting figure.

So, if there are 6 secondary schools in a town and 2 are Christian (2 out of 6 = 33 %) atheists have 4 to choose from but Christians have 2 more (i.e 2 more than 4 = 50%).

It's why women are said to earn % of mens earnings, makes it seems less of a gap than it actually is. So women earn 18% less than men but men earn 22% more than women.

cosysock · 22/12/2018 12:39

BertrandRussell is it worth getting so het up about it though. My kids went to faith schools, they aren’t religious in anyway. They got a good education and no way all of them have good jobs.

cosysock · 22/12/2018 12:40

*and now all of them

BertrandRussell · 22/12/2018 12:42

“BertrandRussell is it worth getting so het up about it though. My kids went to faith schools, they aren’t religious in anyway. They got a good education and no way all of them have good jobs.”

I’m not het up. The people who get het up are the ones who go on about how Christians are so hard done by in the U.K. and refuse to accept that they are in a privileged position, even when it is spelled out for them.