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To wonder how much longer school will do nativity plays?

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GreatestShowUnicorn · 20/12/2018 14:03

As there is no biblical scripture to show Jesus was born at the time of the winter solstice. Surely it’s just teaching creationism or that the world is flat?

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abacucat · 23/12/2018 12:32

Not true, he could convert. He just thought it might have an impact on electoral success. The "ideal" candidate is a white straight married man who is church of england and has a couple of kids.

53rdWay · 23/12/2018 13:04

It’s unclear if the PM could be Catholic or not. Nothing specifically prohibiting it, the complication would come with the PM’s role in appointing CofE bishops. But you could make an argument that the convention now is that the PM just picks the first name on the list the Church presents (Gordon Brown, not CofE, did this) so there’s no real conflict of interests. Blair issue was more about public image - “we don’t do God”, as Alistair Campbell put it.

abacucat · 23/12/2018 13:13

Yes the Blair reign was very much about a certain kind of image.

BertrandRussell · 23/12/2018 15:22

“but anything else is a bit boring so you will need to do that in private because it upsets us non religious people”
No. I don’t have a problem with the reLigious things that have become part of our culture. What I object to is Christian worship intruding on my life, as it does in all state schools, and Christians getting special treatment-as in the House of Lords. There are plenty of examples where a Christian lobby has affected health and social policy. End of life care, for example. And Sunday trading- to name but two.

DGRossetti · 23/12/2018 15:31

There are plenty of examples where a Christian lobby has affected health and social policy. End of life care, for example.

Bit unfair, maybe ? There's nothing inherently Christian about having a view on the sanctity of life, which is the driver for some EoL debates.

BertrandRussell · 23/12/2018 15:52

Oh, and for clarity, when I say public life I didn’t mean doing things in public. I meant government and policy and legislation and public services. That sort of thing.

DGRossetti · 23/12/2018 15:56

Oh, and for clarity, when I say public life I didn’t mean doing things in public. I meant government and policy and legislation and public services. That sort of thing.

Thing is, why shouldn't communities be able to feed into public policy ? The Big Society and all that bollocks.

But no one community should have a special pass over any other community. With the obvious exception of anarchists.

If we have to have religions involved, then it should be all religions. Including Jedi. And Pagans ...

BertrandRussell · 23/12/2018 16:03

Communities can feed into public policy. What they shouldn’t have is a privileged position within the structure. If anybody suggested a NHS hospital with a special ward for Christians, or a state funded library where Christians got first pick of the new books everyone would be rightly horrified.

woodhill · 23/12/2018 16:36

Exactly mother the Irish problem is not really about Christianity more land and home rule and not being part of the UK and often in history such as the Tudors it was about power, politics and control. Look at poor John Tyndall who tried to print the bible for the masses.

cosysock · 23/12/2018 17:42

Terrorist attacks in Britain by basques, British, Catalan? confusedLink please, and the fact that you are more likely to be killed by a British male is irrelevant and a silly remark.

Considering I was answering a question about terrorists in EUROPE.

Well obviously we aren’t talking about terrorist threats from the past, and more unlikely ones, rather current real threats, and saying you’re more likely to be killed by a British male is irrelevant and a silly remark and seems like it’s said to minimise the present threat. It’s like saying you’re more likely to be killed by a bus. Good job our security forces don’t think that way, who have been on high alert at the markets etc.

cosysock · 23/12/2018 17:51

Communities can feed into public policy. What they shouldn’t have is a privileged position within the structure. If anybody suggested a NHS hospital with a special ward for Christians, or a state funded library where Christians got first pick of the new books everyone would be rightly horrified.

Shouldn’t we be horrified that the North London Housing association is building muslim only housing estates. Imagine the horror if Christian only houses were being built. So the appalling scenario you suggested is happening, only the other way round.

BertrandRussell · 23/12/2018 17:59

Do you mean the North London Muslim Housing Association? If they are building houses for Muslims only they are breaking the law and should be challenged in the courts. Are they doing that?

53rdWay · 23/12/2018 18:02

Terrorist attacks in Britain committed by British people is indeed a thing, yes. Including ‘the present threat’ if by that you mean Islamist terrorism. What do you think the security services do, check birth certificates and ignore anyone British?

Walkingdeadfangirl · 23/12/2018 18:13

Shouldn’t we be horrified that the North London Housing association is building muslim only housing estates
That is appalling, how the heck has that been allowed?

cosysock · 23/12/2018 18:19

Terrorist attacks in Britain committed by British people is indeed a thing, yes
Which ones?

53rdWay · 23/12/2018 18:27

Which ones?

Seriously? Here’s a few to get you started:

  • 1999 London nailbombs
  • 2005 London Underground/bus bombings
  • 2016 assassination of an MP
  • 2017 Westminster Bridge attack
  • 2017 Finsbury Park attack
cosysock · 23/12/2018 18:34

I thought you’d been implying they were done by Christians, no wonder i said which ones. These were all done by Islamic militants, which was the point i’d been making upthread. Confused

53rdWay · 23/12/2018 18:36

No I said they were done by British people. That’s why I said, ‘committed by British people‘. Do you think British people = Christians? What? Confused

53rdWay · 23/12/2018 18:37

And no they weren’t all done by Islamic militants, either. Sheesh.

cosysock · 23/12/2018 18:48

Sorry i got that wrong, so you’ve googled the ones not done by Islamic militants, thereby minimising the enormously more done in the name of Islam. There’s no comparison.

53rdWay · 23/12/2018 18:56

I’ve not Googled them, FFS. I know about them because I live in Britain and terrorist attacks are pretty major things.

There were many between those ones too, those are the ones I’m reasonably sure were committed by British attackers.

I said: “Terrorist attacks in Britain committed by British people is indeed a thing, yes. Including ‘the present threat’ if by that you mean Islamist terrorism.“
You said: “Which ones?”

You are now complaining that when you asked for examples of British terrorism including Islamist attacks, I gave you... examples of British terrorism, including Islamist attacks.

DGRossetti · 23/12/2018 18:58

Shouldn’t we be horrified that the North London Housing association is building muslim only housing estate

I'm sure we would. If it were true. But I'm betting (without bothering to check) that it isn't. Even a little bit. But, I look forward to a cite proving me wrong that isn't a newspaper or opinion piece, but the NLHAs own website or link to their policies (if online).

(waits)

cosysock · 23/12/2018 19:10

53rdway but you’ve missed loads out, a quick google would give you the full list. After the IRA ones ended, the majority have been done in the name of Islam. You can’t deny facts.

53rdWay · 23/12/2018 19:20

Cosy. As I have now said twice to you, there are terrorist attacks committed by British people which are also committed by Islamists. Because some militant Islamists are British. This surely is not news to you?