To ask what we have to look forward to after March 29th 2019

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It turns out Theresa May’s definition of ‘soverignity and democracy’ is to postpone a democratic vote, not allow anyone except her to change their mind and generally run to clock down until her deal is the only option.

So what do people think about that?

What are the benefits we have to look forward to when we leave the EU given it turns out ‘they don’t actually need is more than we need them’ after all?

What are we doing this for?

(And for those who want to ignore Brexit, don’t read this thread. Equally, this is the biggest thing this country has ever faced in most of our generation so please don’t banish this to the Brexit section)

Many voted leave because they are hoping that in the future their living standards may no longer be constantly in the gutter.
They are wrong though. All predictions point to the poorest being worse off. This is the tragedy. You can't just vote for change without looking at what that change will be.

If something is a prediction it cannot be wrong. No one knows.

I am not a specialist in trade, economy, health, science but when the vast majority in these areas warn there will be negative consequences in their areas by Brexit and a few outliers refute that I listen to the majority.

This is understandable, but remember that the majority were not predicting the financial crash of 2008 apart from a few outliers as well. It really isn't as clear cut as always believe the government/majority.

Paul Krugman who was famed on here and the Guardian during the 2010 election and 2015 etc for being anti-tory/anti austerity and also predicted the 2008 crash has come out with what I believe is a reasonable comment.

There is a lot of hysteria surrounding this from people just reading headlines and not understanding, which is ironic considering those same people have been saying the same things regarding leavers for 2 years now.

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If you kick a dog enough and it bites, it normally gets shot afterwards, so not a great way of expressing the argument...

It was an example of why the leave vote happened. It doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.

Here's a good summary of the things we will gain-- in 2019 .or should that be lose.--

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Funnily enough the people who bang on about the 'bumps in the road' being worth it are a lot better off than I...

I absolutely accept that its the group of people i know and cant be extrapolated but i dont know any poor leavers, all the people i know who voted leave have plenty of money

I am a little confused by the apparent fact that putting people into rich and poor seems ok on mumsnet, and age to be fair. But saying its split into educated and uneducated seems to be a bit of a no go

If something is a prediction it cannot be wrong. No one knows
And that basically sums up why we are in this mess!

Everyone knows someone who is rich who voted leave and poor who voted remain or young that voted leave or old that voted remain or educated (whats the definition again) that voted leave and uneducated that voted remain

Its just easier to discuss

I am not sure what we will have to look forward to, but one thing I’m dreading is everyone being really nasty to each other as they settle on both sides of the brexit divide. It’s such an emotive subject and it doesn’t take much provocation for heckles to rise and insults be thrown- I dread to think what this will turn into if we do crash out and things are chaotic, even if just for a short time while things adjust. I wish the whole ‘brexiters vs. Reamoaners’ rhetoric would just disappear- it doesn’t help anyone reach any kind of useful consensus either here or in parliament.

Well education can be deemed to be different to different people.

A formal education that is considered to be right to the wealthy means they have qualifications.
Many educated have the common sense of a flee.

Many uneducated formally have street wise education and know how to survive on the streets using basic human survival skills.
The formally educated wouldn't last two minutes.

If their ever was severe social unrest in this country I know which group would fair better.

A more accurate way of expressing why the leave vote happened, imo, is that the referendum was called at a time of known economic and political instability when angry people were hugely more likely to lash out at anything considered to be "establishment" regardless of any actual facts one way or the other. Only angry people vote for massive change in large numbers.

Absolutely russia

But there was a specific definition used in the context of the referendum

I think it may have been a degree...but i cant remember

Flea...im one of the uneducated thick ones.

And now ive reread your post russia thats a massive generalisation

I know very many people with a very basic level of formal education who aren't streetwise in the slightest

I dont fancy my dads chances at all!!

But i agree that some people with very high levels have no common sense or idea about the real world...so quite a few of our politicians

Flea...im one of the uneducated thick ones.
If you self-define as thick, why do you refuse to take into account any experts? Do you not believe that studying economics for decades might, just possibly, give someone the edge on you?

It was trying to point out that education means different things to different people.
Education in this country is mostly generalised as formal qualifications.

You can be educated and not have any qualifications.

Show me an economist who has a crystal ball. Prediction does not equate to certainty.

russia

Im confused (again)

I know you were saying that, thats why i agreed with your post at 9.32

I think we might be talking at cross purposes

Prediction does not equate to certainty.
No but you are going to the other extreme and disregarding any predictions at all! This is ridiculous. If a surgeon says to you, "This operation has a 1% chance of success" do you say, "Well, go ahead, that's just a prediction, you don't have a crystal ball".

Well, I'm gearing up to fight the other 9.9 million Londoners for the last uneaten pigeon.

What have I got to look forward to after Brexit?

Controlled immigration so my children & grandchildren grow up without feeling like outsiders in their own country.
Less pressure on our services.
A feeling of freedom.
Possible drop in house prices so my children can actually afford a home.

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