In my pronounciation of 'proven'

[CollyWombles]

Help settle a discussion between DH and I please!

I pronounce it as 'Pro-ven'
DH says its 'Proo-ven'

I am Scottish, he is South African, whether that makes a difference!

Scottish. Pro-ven. Case closed 😂

Ffs. Asked DH and he said proo-ven. I might have to ltb.

He said he knew that I would say pro-ven though, because I also say mus-zay-um.

I'm an hour from the Scottish borders and have never heard anyone say pro-ven.

Proof. Pr oo ven.

Pro-ven is correct.
Proo-ven has become the usual pronunciation in England over the last 30 or so years, but it is wrong.

So us your bread proved or prooved before baking?

Both correct (I say pro(ven) to rhyme with dough)

I honestly don’t know and now it’s really annoying me! Both sound reasonable. Maybe I just never say it which is weird as I am a lawyer.

That's because its a Scottish legal term. Ordinarily we would all say proved.

@longwayoff

The word proof has nothing to do with the pronunciation of proven. They are completely different words.

Like to weave, then becomes woven. (Pronounced wo-ven not woo-ven just like proven is pronounced pro-ven not proo-ven). It’s become the norm in England, but it is wrong in the traditional sense of the word.

Proo-ven has become the usual pronunciation in England over the last 30 or so years, but it is wrong

Rubbish.

Yes it is a bit of a nonsense to say that.

Thirty years ago on working in Scotland coming from England I noticed "where do you stay?" as opposed to "where do you live?" The use of "outwith" and " not PRO- ven" ..amongst many other things of course!

But

The spider wove his web.

Weave can't be used as a template.

@AnOtherNomdePlume

I was using it to point out that related words are not automatically pronounced the same way.

Proof is spelt with oo.

Proven is spelt with o.

One is pronounced oooooo and the other is pronounced oh.

Different spellings. Different words. And some poster thinks they should be pronounced the same just because they are related. Nonsense.

Pro-ven.
I'm Half-welsh, half Bristolian but spent most of my childhood abroad.

In English we sadly can't use spelling as a test of how a word is generally pronounced.

I'm up for spelling reform!

But can you imagine the arguments?!

Pro-ven. Scottish Borders.

Pro-ven and quite surprised by how many people use the alternative. South-east with a scientific degree ( ie lots of exposure to proofs) and a bit posh!
I've never thought about this before but am now wondering why 'Proh ' when bread proving / proof reading etc .are all 'Pru '.

Proo-ven (from Herts)

Another one.....

Lilac. I say Lilac (No over pronunciation of the A) my mum says Li-lock. It drives me insane

UK English spelling and pronunciation are idiosyncratic. Love that about it.

Pro-ven - Essex

Scottish

Also pro-ven

I can't understand how this thread has generated 8 pages. Why is it of such enduring interest that people from different regions pronounce words differently? I'm not talking about the linguists among us, I totally get how it's useful to compare/contrast accent and dialect from different regions, but rather this endless argument about which way is RIGHT and which is WRONG. Answer: neither, because language (especially English, of all languages) doesn't work like that.

@MaggieAndHopey

I bet you're fun at parties!