Why the the leavers so scared of a second vote?

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I don't get it.

The leavers were fed some lies, that much is obvious.

What I don't get though is that if the leavers are so sure of themselves then why are they so worried about a second vote? If it's 'the will of the people' then it will be the same outcome anyway.

Or are they panicking because now the lies (like the bus) have been exposed, people are now more clued up and they were relying on people not being clued up to get the vote through in the first place?

If you had a second vote it would have to include the no deal so we can walk away.
So since there is not enough time to have this vote.
May's deal is not a good one and she pulled it as she knew it would be voted down.... How do you intend to fix a pile of stinking mess... When you have been told there is no more to come from the EU.

Lastly just how do you think 17 million will feel being told... You got it wrong vote again... Do you have any idea of just how that is going to be played over the news...
Forget bbc who are so pro remain.
I am talking Facebook and twitter, the polls know that you stand a chance of an even bigger vote of sod the bullies... Get us out of here....

Fafoutis in the contrary, here are a few of my favourite....

1. But the bus....
2. It’s all down to racism.
3. The only reason people voted leave was all the lies
4. We want another vote (and another until we win)
5. But if the people who can vote now, could have voted then.....
6. It’s the Russians fault (it’s like being back in 1950s america)
7. Lets have all the facts (yes let’s, please explain the direction of the EU, the effect of opting out the ever closer union together with all the ways in which the ECJ can infiltrate our country (as it has historically done) under the guise of the fundamental freedoms, how the ECB will fund propping up the struggling economies in the EU. Whilst we’re at it can you please explain the effect the collapse of the eurozone would have on us on we stay)
8. They didn’t know what they were voting for

I could go on all night

I suspect that many Leave voters don't want a second referendum because they believe, with some justification, that the decision was made following the first referendum. As a remainer, I'd be afraid of a second referendum because I don't think people have grown up, reflected and examined a new set of facts. I think that the last 2.5 years have been characterised by division, nastiness and name-calling, and a second referendum would lead to more of that, not to any meaningful solution to this chaos. I also think that asking people to choose between May's deal and no deal (as leave options) would create a false dilemma unless we can be sure that both options are fully understood (unlikely) and that there is absolutely no chance of anything else being negotiated. I don't know what the answer to this mess is, but I don't want another referendum any more than I wanted the first one.

I don't get it.

Why are remainers so wanting a second vote? Democracy and all? If the result was the other way around you know that the remainers would be hell bent on their result being forced though! So much scare mongering. No one knows! No deal all the way. A nearby coastal community has lost jobs due to French fisherman shocking their nets killing everything (prooved) Everyone is so bloody scared but come on!! Bunch of self centred diplomats not actually thinking about the big picture. All they want to do is scare every other European country so that theye don't try the same.

onlyjoined - how successful would a non-protectionist trading bloc be, exactly? Or one that didn't prioritise the interests of its members over those outside of the 'club'?

Not very, I'd bet.

As for failed politicians who've had to resign, or who've been voted out...do the names Amber Rudd or Iain Duncan Smith ring any bells?

Prominent members of the Leave campaign consistently said that only an idiot would consider leaving the single market., and that we would be able to leave whilst still retaining all the benefits of the EU.

I know quite a few people that voted leave because of that bus. People wanted to save the NHS but they were fed nonsense.

I am still to be told why leaving the EU is a good thing. My partner works at a university and his main role is cancer research.

Due to the huge amounts provided in grants by the EU are no longer being funded, certain research will not continue. Plus, universities who would ask for 40% of the total grant cost for overheads etc. are now asking for 110% of the total grant in order to recoop money lost through Brexit. This is also happening to charities such as Cancer Research. No fun runs or pretty muddy events will make up for the money lost because of Brexit.

The money for life saving research will simply not be as widely available if we leave. Yet none of this was mentioned in the Leave campaign.

I agree A50 was triggered way too early and yes, the politicians are too blame for this absolute pig's ear.

And people gloss over it was Corbyn who was calling for us to trigger A50, people have this revisionist view and trying to play party politics in all of this.

"If remain had won would they be happy now to have a second referendum?"

If remain had won, we wouldn't be talking about Brexit anymore; there would be no issue.

please can I have a re-run of the last three General Elections?

Are you genuinely oblivious to the fact that we have elections every five years? Or are you suggesting there should be one general election per generation, perhaps?

and they say remainers aren’t the brightest bunch

It is about having trust in a democratic system. There were a myriad of reasons why people voted to leave or remain, not just the figure on the bus in the case of the leavers. You can't keep rerunning votes, democracy would be finished.

And people gloss over it was Corbyn who was calling for us to trigger A50, people have this revisionist view and trying to play party politics in all of this.

And it was the conservatives who called the referendum so the point is?

If the remoaners won, don't think those voted leave would be behaving like they are currently doing. They would have quietly accepted it, even if they did noway, wod there be a second referendum.

They would have quietly accepted it

Do you actually think before typing such utter shit

Farage himself spoke about how there would be need for another referendum if Remain one. There were petitions set up before the referendum by the leave side

😂😭

Sarcelle - so asking people what they think is undemocratic?

Things have changed. The Brexit house, that had such kerb appeal, has been found after a survey to have subsidence, wet rot, rats and dodgy wiring. It might be ok after an awful lot of work and money, but it also might fall down. It seems only right to ask the buyers if they still want to go through with the purchase.

If they still do, fine, go for it and we'll have to deal with the consequences. But there is no harm in reconsidering, surely?

I’m not a leaver- but I don’t agree with another vote and know a great many (intelligent) professionals who also disagree with the idea of a second vote.

The country chose to leave the EU (😒)
Now you can argue that people were mislead - and yes they were but unless the remain campaign were saintly honest (they were not) then it doesn’t justify another vote! Both sides told a few lies!
You can also argue that not everybody took it seriously or actually made the effort to vote - again not justification for another vote!

IF there were to be a second vote it could only consist of the terms under which we exit and absoloutley shouldn’t include a ‘remain’ option as that decision was made and we live in a democracy where you can’t keep rolling the dice until you get the result you want!

The only person to blame for the UK exiting the EU is David Cameron! - For crediting the UK population with being FAR more intelligent and reasonable than they are.

The way I see it now is that remainers are behaving like entitled ‘I want it may way’ children 🤔 ‘why are you so scared of a second vote?’

• 😒 because it completely undermines the principles of democracy - Because your reasoning is based on ‘tit for tat’ semantics - or because next you’ll be claiming ‘the poor and uneducated shouldn’t get the vote as they’re underinformed’ and then what, we’re back in the 1700’s aren’t we?

Jeez!

The decision of the referendum was to leave the EU.
We were told that, whatever the result, it would be honoured.
Remainer MPs are not happy with that and do not have the integrity and moral responsibility that Teresa May clearly has. They wish to manipulate the electorate into a remain vote by careful selection of the questions on the ballot paper.

However, we have voted to leave. So the only questions on any ballot paper in any further referendum should be:

Do you want to leave the EU:

1. With Mrs May's current deal;

1. With no deal.

They would have quietly accepted it

Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

Yeah, ok, sure.

If Mays government lost a vote of no-confidence, there will, by law, another exact same vote 14 days later... just to make sure the MPs really do want a General election and kick out the Government.

Leaving the EU is a monumental decision, probably irreversible, certainly for a generation,
If it turns out to be the wrong decision it will have serious consequences for ordinary people and our children, for remain or Leave politicians, they'll be fine whatever happens.

Even if there were consensus in Parliament, we should have a 2nd Vote regardless, if the people have changed their minds, so be it, equally if they still want to leave, thats fine too but at least no one can say we weren't sure or didn't understand the issues.

To the OP, Leave have won, so of course they'd be mad to risk another vote BUT we must do what is best for the nation, not what a particular grouping desire now.

I don't really understand why Leave Voters are so against May's Deal. It delivers on some of the reasons why people voted Leave, notably ending FOM. It leaves the door open to a free trade agreement. It doesn't fly in the face of the Good Friday Agreement. Surely Leave voters can't still believe that they can have the status quo without FOM, jurisdiction of the ECJ, etc? Aka what BJ promises...surely they must realise that something has to give if we are leaving the EU because it's just impossible to cut all ties drastically after 40 years of convergence without seriously damaging and impoverishing the UK? Surely they're not all masochists???

@Rumboogie - but No Deal is an economic catastrophe. And rips up GFA. Totally irresponsible to even make it an option.
I could put up with TM Withdrawal Agreement because at least we'd get a transition period.

@rumboogie

How can you talk about integrity and responsibility and then suggest that No Deal is on the ballot?

Onlyjoined, I could have written your post, the only things I would add to your list is the ECJ have a free reign to infiltrate our domestic laws, even in areas over which we are supposed to have retained sovereignty, I’m particularly thinking taxation, how long before fundamental areas of our common law legal system are challenged as per the above, the prioritisation of largely white European immigrants Over non Europeans who might be more beneficial to our economy. The inability to fully flex all our laws to make the best of our economy. The fact the EU can seemingly unilaterally affect things like employee reward packages, for example share options, held by many employees could have potentially either become invalid or lost most of their benefits as the EU didn’t renew some state aid provisions on time.

And it was the conservatives who called the referendum so the point is?

Brexit cant be drawn along political lines like some like to extol on these types of threads

but No Deal is an economic catastrophe.

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I'm not.

I voted leave the first time, and I'll turn out in any weather to vote leave again, for sure.