Why the the leavers so scared of a second vote?

[StrumALum]

I don't get it.

The leavers were fed some lies, that much is obvious.

What I don't get though is that if the leavers are so sure of themselves then why are they so worried about a second vote? If it's 'the will of the people' then it will be the same outcome anyway.

Or are they panicking because now the lies (like the bus) have been exposed, people are now more clued up and they were relying on people not being clued up to get the vote through in the first place?

[Mishappening]

What makes you think they are scared?

Their campaign slogan if it goes ahead is "Tell 'em again!"

[Moussemoose]

As I keep saying...

As a bill passes through parliament it is voted on several times. When amendments are made, in the HoC and the HoL, votes are held.

In TU negotiation you have an enabling vote to allow negotiations and then a vote on the deal.

It is common, it is democratic, it's entirely sensible.

[Disfordarkchocolate]

We had a vote, to suddenly decided not to implement the result is the sort of action you expect from a despot not an elected government in a democracy.

Both sides lied, all policians do. They win elections on manifestos that are based on lies and they also fail to implement what they promised.

They failure in Brexit has been in how our government negotiated, the EU has always been a weekspot for the conservative party. We went into the negotiations week and divided, that never leads to a good outcome.

[Moussemoose]

We had an advisory referendum.

Not many despots hold free and fair referenda.

[Bluntness100]

I'm also unsure how it can be undeomcratic to give rhe people another vote now more facts are known. It is clearly not the case of anyone saying well we don't like that, lets vote again, what's being said is here we ar two and a half years later, do you want it, or not.

What's undemocratic is knowing the vast majority of people don't want it, knowing the facts change many's views and stil, saying fuck uou, you get no further say we are doing it anyway. Plenty of people woild change their mind now. And enough to tip it.

And that's why the adamant leavers don't want it. Because they know. They know they want something rh majority of the british people now don't want.

[ThereWillBeAdequateFood]

that bloody bus which had no impact

People always think they aren’t influenced by advertising - they are.

It’s not like the bus was the only lie. We were told the U.K. holds all the cards, it will be the easiest deal in history.

Vote leave broke the law.

Leavers aren’t a homogeneous group. There’s zero clarity on what kind of Brexit was asked for. If your not clear what people want asking again is entirely sensible and it sure as shot isn’t undemocratic.

[TSSDNCOP]

I also think after 18 months of being accused of being racist and criminally stupid the Leavers mightn’t be feeling as wiling to change their vote as the Remainers like to think.

So Remainers would you accept a second Leave vote as decisive?

[EggysMom]

What makes the Remainers so convinced that, if there was a second vote, Leave would lose?

The polls before the EU Referendum reckoned we'd Remain, they were wrong.

The polls for two - or is it three? - recent General Elections have predicted the incorrect result.

So don't believe the polls and hype now.

I wasn't swayed either way by politicians, truth, lies, or that bloody bus. I made up my own mind. As did the population, those who felt strong enough about the matter, cast their vote. Accept it and move on.

Else, please can I have a re-run of the last three General Elections?

[Moussemoose]

All referenda in the U.K. are advisory.

[Moussemoose]

EggysMom I'm really glad to hear you researched and made your own mind up.

What was your idea to solve the issue of the GFA without breaking international law?

[ThereWillBeAdequateFood]

I'm not sure which bit Remain doesn't get

The bit I don’t get is what kind of Brexit Leave voters actually want. That’s why I want a people’s vote.

Obviously we can’t just vote Remain / Leave again. A new referendum would have to actually clarify what kind of Brexit people want.

[araiwa]

They have nothing to gain and everything to lose

Theyd be stupid to agree to another one. Theyve already won

[Amanduh]

Yes, and people believe hundreds of lies every election campaign. Doesn’t mean we have another GE though.
I can absolutely understand why ANYONE who won a democratic vote doesn’t want another vote. It’s ridiculous.

[Snuffalo]

There are two kinds of people who are against a second referendum. The first are rich arseholes who know full well that leaving will be disastrous for the economy but don’t care because they, personally, will benefit. The second kind are stubborn simpletons who actually think that catchphrases like ‘leave means leave’ are powerful arguments.

[Confusedbeetle]

Leavers want the sort of Brexit that the caring sharing EU have refused to allow. With a bit of luck within 5 years, the whole shambles will implode. If it was such a lovely club why are they afraid other countries want to leave?

[ThereWillBeAdequateFood]

I can absolutely understand why ANYONE who won a democratic vote doesn’t want another vote

But what did they win? No one knows what Leave is currently. Is it May’s deal is it no deal? No one knows what leavers (not individual leavers but leavers as a whole) want.

[cardifcannonball]

It's completely democratic to have another vote. That's how democracy works. The referendum was ADVISORY. What do people not understand about that?!
As usual, those on this thread who want to leave, along with brexiteers like JRM, have given any suggestions on how to make it happen, how to solve the issue with the Irish border etc. They just blame TM and the EU.
Every piece of research / impact assessment has shown we will be worse off. Even JRM himself has said it may take 50yrs to recover.
Do people really, REALLY want that?

[Helmetbymidnight]

There are two kinds of people who are against a second referendum. The first are rich arseholes who know full well that leaving will be disastrous for the economy but don’t care because they, personally, will benefit. The second kind are stubborn simpletons who actually think that catchphrases like ‘leave means leave’ are powerful arguments

What she said ^

The funny ones are the ones who go - ‘well, remain lied too’ as if that’s a valid reason NOT to have a second referendum.

[Elphame]

The remainers want to over turn a democratic vote because they don't like the result.

If we bow to a second vote it makes a mockery of the democratic process and I for one will never vote again. There will be no point.

[Helmetbymidnight]

No, no, actually the funniest ones are the ones who go - ‘we elected a cons govt we don’t get to vote again’

Er yes we do!

Jrm, boris, Davis and the cons voted for tm to be leader- then last week changed their mind! Toffs privelege innit.

[Twooter]

It probably will be remain purely because for the past 2 years the media has gone in and on about only the racists and ignorant voted leave. This isn’t true, - But if remain had won the past two years would probably been emphasing the bad things about the eu. As someone said upthread, it’s not about the status quo vs leave, it’s the future Eu vs leave.

[FaFoutis]

A democratic vote would be undemocratic. Where is the logic in that? I cannot make any sense of that statement at all.

[BeanTownNancy]

I don't even care which option wins, I'm just fucking sick of politicians constantly stating "will of the people" when it's clear that nobody actually knows what that is. I'd love to have a vote on a bunch of options to find out what "the will of the people" really is. Even if it's not binding, I'm just sick of politicians interpreting the results whichever way best fits their political agenda that day.

And also, we vote on the government every few years to see if what people want has changed... We voted for the Tories this time should we never have another general election because that's "the will of the people"? How is that democratic?

[Hidillyho]

I voted remain and was quite annoyed that majority voted leave however, we shouldn’t get a re-vote. People voted for what they wanted. We all had the same information which we could look into.
I don’t think a 2nd vote would be ‘a fair vote’ as many people wouldn’t bother going and voting a 2nd time.
It very much reaks of stamping your feet till you get your own way.
Of course people may vote differently a 2nd time round but life simply doesn’t work like that. I would buy a lottery ticket for yesterday’s lottery if I could now I have the outcome.

[HeresMe]

Leavers aren't scared of a second vote, I justsimoly shouldn't happen, it'swaste of time and money,you can't keep going until you get answer you want

The problem is with Brexit we went into it so weak, we had a lot of cards and played zero, Europe loses a lot of they don't trade with us.