Why the the leavers so scared of a second vote?

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I don't get it.

The leavers were fed some lies, that much is obvious.

What I don't get though is that if the leavers are so sure of themselves then why are they so worried about a second vote? If it's 'the will of the people' then it will be the same outcome anyway.

Or are they panicking because now the lies (like the bus) have been exposed, people are now more clued up and they were relying on people not being clued up to get the vote through in the first place?

A democratic vote would be undemocratic. Where is the logic in that? I cannot make any sense of that statement at all.

It’s entirely logical to brexiteers. You have to remember these are people who want to make our economy poorer - for 50 yrs (jrm) and ruin gfa for reasons they cant articulate.

And how do we know anything that is being said now is true?. There is still a lot of scaremongering going on.

There are two kinds of people who are against a second referendum. The first are rich arseholes who know full well that leaving will be disastrous for the economy but don’t care because they, personally, will benefit. The second kind are stubborn simpletons who actually think that catchphrases like ‘leave means leave’ are powerful arguments

Is the prime example of why leavers get annoyed. Because, apparently, as people have explained on this thread, having a full, educated, understood decision that goes against someone else makes you an arsehole or a simpleton. It makes me really sad that people can be belittled like that for making an informed political choice. Disgusting actually. Makes me think that actually, the remainers are the ones full of bile.

Oh and I didn’t vote for leave.

I agree that another referendum is looking likely now. Probably with three choices so as to split the leave voters.

This whole process is disillusioning though, if only because MPs take not the slightest notice of what their constituents want. I had a letter a few days ago from mine waffling about his conscience and what he believed is his heart to be best

An MP is there to represent his constituents and do as they direct him, not to tell them what he feels is best for them. I can decide that myself based on facts - his feelings deep within his heart are irrelevant.

I don’t think there should be a 2nd vote and I am a remainer.

This is Parliament’s mess and Parliament need to get us out of it. It’s time for them to do what is right for the 1st time in their bloody life’s.

Brexit is not going to be successful. We do not have the right people in power on either side for it to be anything less than a massive disaster.

Any sympathy I felt for May has disappeared in the last eeei.

How is what she is doing democratic? She is playing for time so she can push through a deal which leaves us so much worse off without any possibility of influencing decisions.

I am thoroughly sickened with the lot of them.

We are in so bloody much of a mess and it’s going to end in no deal because of bloody stubbornness and stupidity

Leavers aren't scared. How can you say that when a vote isn't an option on the table? Remainers enjoy emotive language more than Leavers it seems.

What lies? Only Remainers thought that bus thing was literal rather than " this is an option for your euro millions". Yet Leavers are the stupid ones? As for "facts" they have been there since before the vote.Nothing is any different. Why assume Leavers couldn't weigh up the evidence and come to their own conclusions?

JRM didn't say we'd be poorer for 50 years - he said it would take 50 years to judge whether brexit had been an economic success.

People voted for what they wanted

That’s all very well but no one knows what that “thing” people voted for actually is.

Is it ?
No deal
May’s deal
Norway ++
Canada ++
A Boris Johnson have your cake and eat it fantasy????

We voted to leave so the vote should be about how we do it.
Splitting it 3 ways means that the remain vote will win even if a big majority want to leave,s a rigged vote .
Calling leavers stupid is not helpful.Manyremainers I know voted that way because they didn't understand the options,people don't like change.
It's a pity our politicians couldn't behave like adults and negotiate the best deal,they've had 2 years and still don't get that this is a serious buisness.

A friends boyfriend voted leave based on that bus.

Oh that’s completely scientific then. Whole vote should be scrapped. Actually, hell, why not just abandon the idea of democracy altogether? If lots of people are just too stupid too vote, why don’t we just have a different system of government like a nice oligarchy? Only the wealthiest voted in a majority for remain, so that would work really well. Guaranteed remain vote. If your mate’s boyfriend says he voted because of a bus, surely that’s all the evidence we need?

It must be because of the bus. It couldn’t possibly be that the working and lower middle classes are informed and have lived experiences which mean they know that the drawbacks the EU brings to them isn’t worth the benefits it brings to others surely?

And a second vote is a bad idea because we know that the EU and remain voters have used the potential of a second referendum to weaken the UKs negotiating position which has allowed the EU to offer the choice between being a vassal state subject to laws we have no say on, or remaining.

Who said leavers are scared,OP?

Nobody has said they are scared. It's just the leavers don't seem to want a second vote, so I wonder why. If they are so sure of themselves then why wouldn't they want a second vote. It comes across as though they are scared/worried that now the full facts are known there would be a good chance it would be remain.

Do you think the problem really is that well educated, intelligent people voted for different things - and it’s not because one side is better or worse, not because one side is good or evil, it’s just that our values are different? I think so now. People’s values and priorities vary so wildly. Doesn’t make any of us better or worse people.

Remainer who is scared of a second referendum. Don't give a shit about hurt Leaver feelings. My sole concern is that No Deal might be on the ballot. enough bloody idiots might vote for it.

What. The. Fuck.

I voted leave. I don't think we should have a 2nd referendum BUT if you want one "now we know the full picture" fine. But we have to be told the full picture so

What other options could be negotiated
Full facts as to what no deal will lead to
Full facts for all other options
Exactly what the future of staying in the EU will be

Anything less won't be giving us the full picture.

There are two kinds of people who are against a second referendum. The first are rich arseholes who know full well that leaving will be disastrous for the economy but don’t care because they, personally, will benefit. The second kind are stubborn simpletons who actually think that catchphrases like ‘leave means leave’ are powerful arguments*

There we go people who vote leave are idiots no they arent, you can apply same to remain voters.

Have you ever been to the European areas in Europe, I have, it's full of oppulence and money spending it's disgusting.

I have no problem against a common market that's fine, shame no one remembers other confederations forced to join each other it doesn't end good,and a good number of EU countries want to leave.

What if we have a second vote and it is still Leave? I think many people have become hacked off with the EU and their apparent inflexibility and feel they are punishing us so no other Western European country will try to leave. I think there could be more votes for Leave.

Here's a nice article outlining Leavers lies.

www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2018/mar/28/11-brexit-promises-leavers-quietly-dropped

Plus their over-spending of course. Plus the Cambridge Analytica harvesting of FB details. Meh. It's democratic innit.

Some remainers probably are full of bile (such a MC insult :)) but that's because many Leavers are full of crap.

@bellinisurge

Stop calling people bloody idiots. Mindless name-calling is everything that’s wrong with modern politics. They’re not idiots. They just think differently to you.

Augusta2012 I didn't say it was scientific at all. It is a fact though that he voted based on the bus. I didn't say everyone did, but he did, so it can't be written off as having no impact. For some it did.

It would be sensible for the government to admit that any kind of Brexit deal beneficial to the UK is undeliverable.
Then they should take steps to rescind Article 50 and abandon the whole idea.
It won't happen of course.

David Davis - a monumental lying arse. Brexit secretary for what 2 years? - did fuck all.

I agree Weetabixandshreddies people should be given a vote with full facts and options.

@IAteMyGrandma - grow up and challenge yourself to watch the video which explains what WTO means.

The government spent thousands of pounds of taxpayers money sending out leaflets to every household. Detailing exactly what leaving the EU would mean
People believing this statement is a big problem. Of course they didn't detail exactly what leaving would mean because they didn't know. Instead ads suggested it would mean millions a week to the NHS, or getting rid of immigrants or all kinds of other things.

As the house analogy suggests, once you have more info you make a wider choice. Thanks to David Schneider on Twitter for that one.