Why the the leavers so scared of a second vote?

[StrumALum]

I don't get it.

The leavers were fed some lies, that much is obvious.

What I don't get though is that if the leavers are so sure of themselves then why are they so worried about a second vote? If it's 'the will of the people' then it will be the same outcome anyway.

Or are they panicking because now the lies (like the bus) have been exposed, people are now more clued up and they were relying on people not being clued up to get the vote through in the first place?

[continuallychargingmyphone]

I agree with all that, Lulu

[LuluJakey1]

Also, when people are suggesting we should be voting on different leave options we might prefer:
May's Deal
Canada +
Norway+

etc

We are being told thete is only one deal on the table - May's as it stands- so what is the point of asking if we would prefer something else?

[bellinisurge]

@IAteMyGrandma - that's on you

[Weetabixandshreddies]

I don't buy the " no one knew what would happen" argument.

The government absolutely should have known. They should have known what the implications of leaving would be and why on earth, when they signed us up to different laws or regulations, didn't they write in exit clauses so that the implications of leaving were clear?

[UnnecessaryFennel]

We shouldn't be voting on a variety of options. There are none. It's May's deal, or revoke A50.

[JacquesHammer]

So, so many idiots who don’t understand the basic tenets of democracy.

A further referendum wouldn’t be a “second” one as it wouldn’t be asking the same thing.

There’s no way that is even the slightest bit against democracy.

[UnnecessaryFennel]

There is an 'exit clause' - it's called Article 50.

Written by the UK.

What did you think the implications of unravelling 40 years of laws, treaties and deals would be?

[jane1956]

it isn't best out of 3 we voted and not enough remainers got off their backsides to vote so leavers won deal with it

[MuseumofInnocence]

The first and major reason why leavers don't want a second referendum is because they are scared of losing. Simple as. On the other hand, the reason remainers want a second vote is because it provides the best opportunity to reverse the decision to leave. That's it.

On another note, it really annoys me is that people complained that the government wasn't honest before the referendum. The government explained leaving the EU would be bad, but they didn't know how bad it would be. This was and is still dismissed as Project Fear. Yet, here we are.

[bellinisurge]

@jane1956 . I don't give a shit anymore as long as we avoid No Deal.

[Poloshot]

There's been a vote already.

[Moussemoose]

Well let's cancel democracy then.

There has been A vote.

Ffs

[bellinisurge]

Has there been a vote for No Deal? We need to get that off the table now. I don't give a shit about a PV as long as No Deal is flushed down the toilet of history.

[luckylavender]

I'm so fed up of people saying that voting in 'undemocratic'.

[bellinisurge]

Got some Brexit Bingo opportunities on this thread

[MuseumofInnocence]

There's been a vote already

1975? Cool, we're staying in. Phew!

[StrumALum]

Absentwomen

The leavers do come across as scared of a second vote. Overall the remainers seem ok with a second vote, the leavers don't. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want a second vote. If the leavers are so sure of themselves why wouldn't they want one?

[UnnecessaryFennel]

it isn't best out of 3 we voted and not enough remainers got off their backsides to vote so leavers won deal with it



I'm not interested in 'dealing with it', thanks very much. Leavers voted to tip the country off a cliff (I accept some didn't intend for that to be the outcome, but even more don't appear to give a toss that we're heading that way) and I'm not going to just sit back and accept that.

Leavers have spent the last 4 decades whining about the EU, and yet have singularly failed to come up with a single, sensible, workable plan to leave it. And yet Remainers are supposed to shut up and say nothing?

[ilovesooty]

The trouble is that there are leavers like @jane1956 who are seemingly incapable of understanding that the issue is rather more complex than she thinks it is.

[SweetSummerchild]

How can the country decide to leave without the answers to those and a thousand other questions, and can we after everything that’s happened trust our government to tell the truth in any case?

There were an awful lot of Leave voters who knew that these were big, scary unknowns but STILL voted to Leave. Regardless of the consequences, Leaving was that important to them.

There were a great many who were absolutely sick of our politicians coming across as utterly impotent and powerless and then hiding behind ‘we can’t do this because of Europe’. Whether it was something as seemingly insignificant as vacuum cleaners and bendy cucumbers or as infuriating as being unable to deport a violent rapist/murderer on their release from prison, many people were sick of our elected leaders being able to make decisions about our laws.

The political class are seen by many as not giving a damn about the citizens they supposedly serve. They are seen as self-serving and untrustworthy. Remember Gordon Brown referring to that woman as ‘bigoted’ for raising concerns about mass immigration?

[Weetabixandshreddies]

There is an 'exit clause' - it's called Article 50.

Written by the UK.

What did you think the implications of unravelling 40 years of laws, treaties and deals would be?
Then there is no reason for anyone to say that they, or the government, didn't know what post Brexit would look like is there?

And if it was all pre negotiated why has Theresa May been running all over Europe trying to negotiate?

Politicians shouldn't have agreed to policies without a clear agreement as to what would happen should we leave - so need to negotiate Irish borders for example because why wasn't it agreed at the start?

[continuallychargingmyphone]

The issue may be complex but the vote wasn’t.

Do you wish to leave or remain?

I was surprised when leave won, but I wasn’t surprised it was close.

[StrumALum]

But jane1956 why don't you want a new vote now more facts are known? Why not?

[IAteMyGrandma]

@bellinisurge

No deal was always an option when people voted to leave. They didn’t know at that point whether there’d be a good deal, a bad deal, or no deal, but that was the choice they made - regardless, they wanted to leave.

[feellikeanalien]

So Tony Blair is at it again! Does anyone really seriously think that the EU would review the issue of freedom of movement just to keep the UK in the union?

This is one of the EU red lines as was re-iterated time and time again during the Brexit negotiations.

The EU is more interested in closer integration and forming an EU army than in giving countries more power to restrict freedom of movement.

As I recall it was Tony Blair who allowed unrestricted entry to nationals of some of the Eastern European States on their accession when he was not required to do so immediately. Other EU countries did not do so.

Another thing to remember is that we could have had tighter controls on people remaining here without employment and becoming reliant on benefits which seems to have been one of the reasons some people voted to leave. Again the government chose not to do so.

What has become apparent during this whole process is that we are governed by people with limited intellectual ability who will always put their own and their party's interest before that of the country.