Why the the leavers so scared of a second vote?

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I don't get it.

The leavers were fed some lies, that much is obvious.

What I don't get though is that if the leavers are so sure of themselves then why are they so worried about a second vote? If it's 'the will of the people' then it will be the same outcome anyway.

Or are they panicking because now the lies (like the bus) have been exposed, people are now more clued up and they were relying on people not being clued up to get the vote through in the first place?

@Walkingdeadfangirl - mutual agreements on policing are not the same as a customs border. We've been in a common travel area agreement with Ireland for decades. Neither of us is in Schengen so police cooperation is to be welcomed.
Not the same as a customs border.

I prefer to heed the warnings of the governments own assessments, BoE projections and the warnings of big business.

Or I could just consider that leaving the biggest and most prosperous trading block in the world with vague notions of spending years arranging new, inferior deals was er, ill-advised. As well as stopping skilled workers coming to the UK to fill job shortages.

People do not need to be checked as we have a common travel area.

How do you plan to distinguish a British/Irish person crossing the border from a Spanish/French person? Didn't leavers want to control borders?

"self declared, as they are now." Because we are both in the single market.

bellinisurge There is no reason why said cameras cant easily be retasked to connect with customs and excise computers. Meaning their is no need for any more infrastructure at the border. And no need for a 'backstop' that gives the EU the power to keep us in the EU indefinitely.

user you didn't vote Remain, you've just registered to join the 'I voted Remain but now I'm Leave' imaginary crew read: typing away in St Petersburg

I prefer to heed the warnings of the governments own assessments, BoE projections and the warnings of big business.

You didn't want to listen to big business when it came to Corbyn during the last GE.

Also the worst case scenario assessments are that we will lose 0.5% of GDP growth yoy, resulting in 11bn lost by 2030, this is from 1.7 trillion we take currently. Even the 0.5% has factored in compound negative growth and it still only came up with 11bn.

But if a camera becomes a customs/border camera its significance changes. It becomes a symbol of the border.

And no need for a 'backstop' that gives the EU the power to keep us in the EU indefinitely.

I'm afraid that it is the legacy of British colonialism that is keeping the UK in the EU "indefinitely". That and the DUP's 1 million quid agreement rendering a sea border impossible.

Well said.

An historical legacy and a TM's solution to losing her majority. Both biting them on the bum.

How do you plan to distinguish a British/Irish person crossing the border from a Spanish/French person?
I assume you mean permanently rather than just on holiday. If a Spanish person sneaked into the UK illegally then they would be an illegal immigrant, unable to work, claim benefits or live legally and able to be arrested/deported when caught. AKA control.

You didn't want to listen to big business when it came to Corbyn during the last GE.

There's a world of difference between businesses not liking the status quo being challenged (i.e. end of neo liberalism) and Brexit (scorched earth policy).

Also the worst case scenario assessments are that we will lose 0.5% of GDP growth yoy, resulting in 11bn lost by 2030, this is from 1.7 trillion we take currently. Even the 0.5% has factored in compound negative growth and it still only came up with 11bn.

and the job losses, lack of investment on the back of austerity? Is that what people voted for? Take alook at the UK's economic standing since 2016 and the value of the pound.

We don't have a second vote in the general election so why should we in this?

A general election isn't permanent.

We do get to vote again at least every 5 years.

I assume you mean permanently rather than just on holiday. If a Spanish person sneaked into the UK illegally then they would be an illegal immigrant, unable to work, claim benefits or live legally and able to be arrested/deported when caught. AKA control.

They won't be able to seek in via Stansted or Dover will they? If the border in Ireland is open and other British borders closed do you think the DUP will accept this?

No more votes. It has nothing to do with being scared. So what happens if Leave wins again, you will still be whining for another vote. and another and another until Remain wins? And what then? Is it time for Leavers to moan and whine and bitch and call Remainers insulting names and go on marches and demand more votes until they win again?

For fucks sake get over it, you lost.

But if a camera becomes a customs/border camera its significance changes. It becomes a symbol of the border.
You mean like its a symbol of the VAT, excise, legal, & currency border that we have now?

You mean like its a symbol of the VAT, excise, legal, & currency border that we have now?

The aren't contentious. Physical border infrastructure is. A camera is bit different from a sandwich board offering currency exchange.

They won't be able to seek in via Stansted or Dover will they?

You think illegal immigrants don't sneak in via Stansted or Dover right now?

If the UK leaving the EU is going to be so bad why would a Spaniard even want to sneak out of the EU and become an illegal in a post Brexit destitute UK?

do you think the DUP will accept this
I think the Common Travel Area between the UK and Ireland is almost a hundred years old, long before the EU existed. Why would the DUP mind this?

For fucks sake get over it, you lost

You mean like the Leave tossers did after 1975 ?

There's a world of difference between businesses not liking the status quo being challenged (i.e. end of neo liberalism) and Brexit (scorched earth policy).

LOL, anti neolibralism and being pro-EU, i think you have picked up a buzzword you know very little about.

and the job losses, lack of investment on the back of austerity? Is that what people voted for? Take alook at the UK's economic standing since 2016 and the value of the pound.

I don't think you have looked into these reports as much as you say you have, the word compound should have given you a heads up.

The fact that someone who is apparently anti neoliberal is trying to use projected YOY perpetual growth GDP figures is why this whole situation is mired in ill informed only headline reading shit.

It would be comical if I hadn't crossed paths with you before and I know your serious

For me, a second vote just feels like making a joke out of the first one a sets a bar for future elections in general.

For example whats to stop people saying the next general. Election is based on lies and we should vote again.

It would be a never ending cycle.

If the UK leaving the EU is going to be so bad why would a Spaniard even want to sneak out of the EU and become an illegal in a post Brexit destitute UK?

Its not about "sneaking in" its about border controls i.e. if an EU citizen is being checked at Dover whether on holiday or business then the expectation will be the same between Ireland-NI. The DUP want full regulatory alignment.

For fucks sake get over it, you lost.
Nothing like sensible, nuanced, open debate with a certain subtype of leave voter.

LOL, anti neolibralism and being pro-EU, i think you have picked up a buzzword you know very little about.

No, neo liberalism is an unfortunate word for those who seek to defend the last 40 years of social and economic decline in the UK.

The fact that someone who is apparently anti neoliberal is trying to use projected YOY perpetual growth GDP figures is why this whole situation is mired in ill informed only headline reading shit.

The assessment reports are one of many warnings given by various sectors and individuals on Brexit. Businesses are already leaving a can see that with my own eyes. Brexit is no workers revolution.