Why the the leavers so scared of a second vote?

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I don't get it.

The leavers were fed some lies, that much is obvious.

What I don't get though is that if the leavers are so sure of themselves then why are they so worried about a second vote? If it's 'the will of the people' then it will be the same outcome anyway.

Or are they panicking because now the lies (like the bus) have been exposed, people are now more clued up and they were relying on people not being clued up to get the vote through in the first place?

I don't like the votes Jeremy Corbyn got at the last election, can we just ignore them and ban him from being an MP?

walkingdead he's paying Corbyn, too, or at least Momentum. Maximum disruption: Brexit, Trump, gilets jaunes, Corbyn, Italy etc etc

A ConservativeHome video of Kate Hoey? Really?

And yet I've 'fallen for the propaganda'?

Perhaps they are worried about who might foot the bill given that it appears that a significant amount of the Leave campaign was funded by illegal foreign sources.

Augusta,

History tends to look kindly on populations who use peaceful and legal votes to express a desire for change in political systems. Large entities which use coercion to stop people leaving them are almost universally condemned, the USSR, the Catholic Church, European Empires

You have an understanding of history that was taken off the back of a cereal box. Do you remember Hungary 1956 or Czechoslovakia 1968? Soviet Tanks were on the streets of Budapest and Prague. Are you really comparing that to the situation we're in? Where the EU has fundamentally said that we because we want to leave, we can't have the same benefits as when we were in the club.

just I am DEADLY serious. This is WW3.

I don't like the votes Jeremy Corbyn got at the last election, can we just ignore them and ban him from being an MP?

Unless you live in his constituency it doesn't really effect you does it?

If you don't like the fact he is Labour leader join Labour so you can vote in future leadership ballots.

No reason to ignore the votes he got. Don't be ridiculous. But the sooner Labour get a more centrist leader, the sooner they will be able to form a government.

Did someone just ask do you want putin or the EU? The thing that really confuses me about the whole, Russia wanted the UK to leave the EU so bank rolled everything, would, by definition mean one of two things: either russiathought the UK was so strong economically outside the EU it would be an asset to Russia. Alternatively, the EU would be so weak without the UK it would collapse, which would indicate we are firstly currently pooping up the EU or we are so valuable to them we should get amazing deals as they need us more than we need them. Either way it’s a bit incongruous with the usual remainer bleatings.

But the sooner Labour get a more centrist leader, the sooner they will be able to form a government.

They had one in 2015.

the British have been unable to square an open border with leaving the EU
Nope the EU/Ireland have been using the border to stop the UK from leaving in anyway but name.

The UK already has a border with Ireland and there is no need for it to become any harder when we leave the EU and negotiate a FTA.

dead wow. You have spectacularly missed the point. What a poor reading of Russia's modus operandi. It's almost like, if you admitted what was really happening, Brexit might look like a terrible idea...

I also love the, 'did someone say something' opening gambit, like Remain voices are so insignificant that you couldn't possibly deign to listen to their arguments.

And wtf is a 'Bare Bones Brexit'?

Is that the same or different to a Blind Brexit, or a Red White and Blue Brexit, or a Jobs First Brexit? Which is it?

All your meaningless slogans are confusing my poor little remainer brain. Although I guess that's the point of...propaganda.

I am DEADLY serious. This is WW3.

It gets even funnier!

@Walkingdeadfangirl - wto rules require control of your economic territory. Or you can't trade. Doesn't have to be a hard border if there is a technological solution like a smart border. Trouble is, there is no technological solution that doesn't require some sort of infrastructure at the border. Even just an ANPR camera. That's enough to rip up the GFA.

Goods/people will need to be checked. This requires a physical border. Nobody - the UK, Ireland or EU want a physical border but as Britain chose to leave the EU it will have to find a solution.

I voted remain but I think we need to leave and if this means crashing out with no deal then I think we should do that. If leave with no deal then I believe that the consequences will not be good for the majority of the country. However, lots of people think we'll be just fine...To me that represents the last hurrah of some weird psychodrama about the loss of empire and the nostalgic belief in "Great Britain". An odd mix of last night of the proms on repeat play, Dunkirk spirit and an utter resistance to change and realising our true place in the world. Some people can only really believe things if they experience them. So in my book we are going to have to do some unpleasant experiencing of what it's like to be a minor league country with some major league socioeconomic problems outside of one the largest trading blocks in the world.... I'd rather we didn't have to and I'd really love to be wrong but I predict it will have to get much worse before we can have a sensible conversation about our true place and worth in the world....

Not scared. More fucking furious it is being considered.
We live in a democratic society. The clue is in the name ffs.
The majority who bothered to vote, voted out. As such, we should get on and leave.
Or is it only democratic when it suits a certain type of people?

I get it that most leavers don’t want a 2nd referendum... But realistically that’s the only alternative other than crashing out. I don’t believe there’s a majority in the country to crash out.... but I suppose there might be. The only way of knowing is having a 2nd referendum!

bellinisurge their already are high definition cameras at the Irish border with a high speed data link to police computers, so I repeat, there is no need for it to become any harder.

The UK already has a border with Ireland and there is no need for it to become any harder when we leave the EU and negotiate a FTA

Jeez we agree!

The back stop is there in case we cannot agree a FTA and as for the bleating that we can't leave without the EU say so? true and neither can they!!! it cuts both ways!
the EU doesn't want the UK in a CU which gives the UK trading advantages but with any contributions.

All your meaningless slogans are confusing my poor little remainer brain. Although I guess that's the point of...propaganda.

Jobs first brexit was Corbyns interpretation, and no its not propoganda its political soundbites to generate headlines.

Propoganda is along the lines of we will all end up eating chlorinated chicken, will have a US style healthcare system etc.

So yeah, maybe use your poor little remainer brain and stop trying to strawman.

@Oakenbeach , if a second referendum puts No Deal as an option, against the current majority view in Parliament, that would economic suicide. Because some people will take it . I'm not allowed to call that stupid on here. Even though it obviously is.
I don't want a second referendum that has No Deal as an option.

We voted. That's it. Both sides were fed lies. We don't have a second vote in the general election so why should we in this? And I voted remain. But that's it. Let's get on with it and come out the other side. As always.

Goods/people will need to be checked

Nope

Goods do not need to be checked at the border, they can be checked elsewhere or self declared, as they are now.

People do not need to be checked as we have a common travel area.