Why the the leavers so scared of a second vote?

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I don't get it.

The leavers were fed some lies, that much is obvious.

What I don't get though is that if the leavers are so sure of themselves then why are they so worried about a second vote? If it's 'the will of the people' then it will be the same outcome anyway.

Or are they panicking because now the lies (like the bus) have been exposed, people are now more clued up and they were relying on people not being clued up to get the vote through in the first place?

Why a second vote? We voted, there was a result so we have to stick with it. Demanding a second vote just because those who voted otherwise don’t like it isn’t how democracy works unfortunately.

No leavers want want hard Brexit, without May's woolly deal.

How will remain feel if leave won again, would they support and respect that decision.

No, we are not scared of losing. No, we were not lied to or misinformed. It would be wrong to have another referendum just because the middle class socialists (like yourselves) did not like the result.
No. Fucking. Deal.

Brexiters will risk food riots and mass unemployment for their cosy little blue passport fantasies. It’s embarrassing to admit you’re wrong and that you’ve been tricked but it’s unforgivable to take the rest of the country down with you. History will not be kind to these people.

The only feasible questions that can be pissed in another referundem are

1. Brexit under May's agenda
2. Brexit with No Deal
3. Revoke article 50 and remain

Which will bring us back to square one. A waste of public money!

• pissed? 😱 Posed.....

DeepanKrispanEven

No, we didn't. 37% of the electorate did, and that was on the back of a Leave campaign riddled with illegal conduct.

how far do you want to take this?
no government has had such a high turn out with such a high percentage or number voting for them.
Successive governments have lied and not implemented manifesto pledges.

And you voted for an unknown because you want it to change but don't know how or when it will change?

Sorry, what? What are you asking me, exactly?

And at 'where did you do your research?' - whatever I say will be wrong, won't it? Tell you what, let's just say George Soros sent me a big pile of money and be done with it, shall we?

UnnecessaryFennel
whatever I say will be wrong, won't it?

This ^ is basically it.

The EU have not offered us Norway or Canada, never mind either of these with ++ added on. Those advocating these options have not defined what they are or explained why the EU would offer them to the UK. They won't.

European leaders don't want to give any truck or justification to their own national brexiteers. They want to be able to say look at the mess the UK got into.

Plus the EU will insist on the backstop in any deal which the DUP said no to and the ERG said no to.

'Tis true about the remain voters I know; living in detached houses bought before house prices went beyond ordinary folks means, the buy to let landlords, people who have seen their houses soar in equity..

Kind of like champagne socialism...

May's WA is the best available. It is what leavers voted for because the ballot paper simply said stay or leave. What happened after that was always at the discretion of the government of the day.

May's WA protects the Good Friday Agreement, an international treaty voted for in a referendum (the will of the people). This must be protected no matter how much leavers choose to ignore it.

Tis true about the remain voters I know; living in detached houses bought before house prices went beyond ordinary folks means, the buy to let landlords, people who have seen their houses soar in equity

Well, that's true of all the Leave voters I know, so there we go. We could go round in circles like this all day.

Again @CiderBrains , take a little trip to Remain supporting Liverpool to see the reality of your goady bollocks.

You are renting a house which over time develops a 'shit load of issues'. You ask the landlord to repair the faults but they only offer cosmetic improvements. Leavers decide to move out, remainers want a lifetime lease.

The leavers were fed some lies
Remainers were also fed 'lies'. All election campaigns on every side involve opinions, spin, propaganda, ridicule etc it doesn't invalidate the result. Anyone remember Jeremy Corbyn promising to cancel all student debt at the last election?

if the leavers are so sure of themselves
The only thing most leavers are sure of, is that a majority of voters decided we should leave the EU.

why are they so worried about a second vote?...are they panicking
Don't know any worried or panicking leavers.

A second referendum is a very bad idea because:

It will increase the division, tension and hatred in our country making it impossible to ever bring us together. It will make things worse not better.

There is no consensus on what the referendum question would be.

If asking once isn't good enough then how many referendums do we have before the decision is acted upon, 3, 4, 5?

What effect on our democracy would it have, if any vote can be re-held until the government gets the result it wants?

We don't need one because we have already had one and we got an answer.

We don't know any more now than we did last time, what will our new deal be with the EU be? or what will the EU be like in ten years? So we would have the same 'problems' as the first referendum.

Whats the point another of referendum if it can just be just ignored?

Lets be honest, remainers don't want a second referendum, they just want to ignore the vote and keep us trapped in the EU forever.

We can have another referendum to rejoin the EU in 20 years or so if its that important to remainers.

Brexiters will risk food riots and mass unemployment for their cosy little blue passport fantasies. It’s embarrassing to admit you’re wrong and that you’ve been tricked but it’s unforgivable to take the rest of the country down with you. History will not be kind to these people.

Bollocks. The UK has been conciliatory all the way through the talks and tried our utmost to maintain cordial relationships and find mutually agreeable solutions. The EU has been intransigent and aggressive and is clearly focused on forcing countries to remain with threats. If you think it’s about blue passports that says more about your lack of knowledge than it does anything about leavers.

History tends to look kindly on populations who use peaceful and legal votes to express a desire for change in political systems. Large entities which use coercion to stop people leaving them are almost universally condemned, the USSR, the Catholic Church, European Empires.

If food and medicine are sitting behind the borders of France and Ireland and EU officials are tapping their clipboards and saying ‘rules is rules’ refusing to let it through while people starve - I doubt very much history would blame leavers. GB did a similar thing during the potato famine refusing to relax trade laws which could have saved lives while people starved. If the EU wants to be seen like that then they’re fools.

@Walkingdeadfangirl - I thought Leave supporters found analogies triggering

Ah pleeeaase.. the only folks voting leave in such circumstances are older generation "foreigner haters" living in their bubble..

The remainers I know in their 30s and 40svwho are oh so vocal about it on social media are all living in nice houses in nice areas all bought before the shit storm of house crises, married and middle class in their own bubble..

Leavers are getting their wish it is May's WA. Just a slight problem that the UK's representative democracy rejects the WA which trumps a non binding opinion poll.

"GB did a similar thing during the potato famine refusing to relax trade laws which could have saved lives while people starved. If the EU wants to be seen like that then they’re fools."
Pretty disgusting of you here. GB "owned" Ireland during the famine. we aren't owned by either the EU or Ireland.

"The remainers I know in their 30s and 40svwho are oh so vocal about it on social media are all living in nice houses in nice areas all bought before the shit storm of house crises, married and middle class in their own bubble.."

As are many of the Leave voters I know @CiderBrains

Leavers.

Do you want Putin or the EU? Because that is your basic choice.

Has none of this Russia stuff entered your heads?

Leavers are getting their wish it is May's WA.

Don't try and stir the pot, the deal is shit all round hence why its being rejected. It BINO, we will end up walking out with no deal

Well, that's true of all the Leave voters I know, so there we go. We could go round in circles like this all day.

Yes, but unlike you the other poster is backed up by reliable research. The richest AB social classes were the only ones which voted a majority for remain. The more disadvantaged people were, the more likely they were to vote leave.

Remain is quite obviously a movement which seeks to impose the views of the wealthy elite on the largely unwilling poorer classes.

I don’t know how Remain has the nerve to present themselves as the nice guys, when the entire premise of their movement is that poor people are too thick and stupid to vote so the wishes of the rich should be imposed on them.