To wonder who anyone can look themselves in the mirror, if they still support the EU, after Juncker's appalling behaviour recently?

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Whatever you think of Theresa May, she was handed a poison chalice after that clown David Cameron jumped ship when the LEAVE vote won the EU referendum, and she is trying to please everyone (failing a bit obviously!) But much of the shitstorm of Brexit is not her fault!

Nevertheless, the president of the EU -Jean Claude Juncker - sees fit not only to slag her off behind her back, calling her 'nebulous,' but he also claimed she tried to kiss him afterwards.

As if that wasn't enough, he was seen ruffling an EU official's hair in a condescending 'aren't you a cutie'manner! A woman obviously. He would never have done it to a man!

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/bizarre-moment-jeanclaude-juncker-ruffles-officials-hair-before-brussels-spat-with-theresa-may-a4018196.html

What a misogynistic, repugnant creep he is. And just pretty much represents the EU. Controlling, manipulative, misogynistic, rude, insulting, and dismissive.

Anyone who still supports the EU now, should hang their head in shame. To support an organisation with someone like that at the helm needs to sort themselves and their priorities out, and wake up to what the EU really is. A misogynistic, obnoxious, controlling, rich boys club, who are sore and wounded that the UK are taking their £350 million a week away from them, not singing to their tune, and not taking things lying down.

Dreadful man. Dreadful organisation.

The sooner we are out of the European Union, the better! No deal will suit me just fine. And I know plenty more who think the same.

The only thing you are unreasonable about here OP is posting on Mumsnet - a hollow echo chamber of intense hypocrisy, false logic and selective perception. I agree with your summation of Juncker and that while he isn't the EU, is rather representative of it to many people.

Juncker is a total arse

Well if this is the level of intellectual reasoning that is going to power us after Brexit what do we have to fear.

They are murderers

Well if this is the level of intellectual reasoning that is going to power us after Brexit what do we have to fear.

Before anyone got to vote in the referendum they should have been asked what they thought the effects on the Good Friday Agreement would be.

I agree with your summation of Juncker and that while he isn't the EU, is rather representative of it to many people.

If he is, that's a lot to do with a right wing press owned by media moguls who have enormous vested interests in us leaving the EU. There's a huge amount of ignorance about the organisation, fed by the Express, the Mail, the Sun and some of the broadsheets too. There are some cogent arguments against the EU, but most of the issues are better fixed by staying in it and reforming it. Most of what I hear from Brexiteers is ill-informed and usually downright false.

People know by now that no deal is ruinous for the gfa, that there will be medical and food shortages and that the economy will struggle for 50 years.
That they still call for no deal is testament to either their privelege, their stupidity or both.

Clearly whether one man is a pisshead or not is more important than the Country's future, bit shallow isn't it

I am all for Brexit, always have been but I believe that the EU has no obligation to give us anything unless we pay through the nose for it.
You wouldn't expect your ex husband to give you anything he absolutely does not have to by law would you?
We have been part of the EU for decades and it can't be detached in only a couple of years.
I think the prime minister is doing the best that she can under the circumstances without any help from her own party.

madcat and you are the kind of Leaver many Remainers can respect, because you are rational and clear-headed. You are a rare beast indeed.

We are fucked.

madcatand you are the kind of Leaver many Remainers can respect, because you are rational and clear-headed. You are a rare beast indeed.
I agree.
I know leave voters who are similar to madcat in their outlook. I may disagree politically but I can respect their opinion and approach.

I can't respect the absolute idiots who deny any lying and are intent on making ludicrous claims like Brexit means Brexit and we won / the people have spoken / project fear.

To be fair, if Junker and JRM were abducted by aliens, the world would be a better place...

Quite agree Junker and all the top cats in the EU are totally out of touch with reality and shown how corrupt and unpleasant they really are. If there is re-run of the vote (which there shouldn’t be) I will vote Brexit as will my OH

We have been part of the EU for decades and it can't be detached in only a couple of years

Indeed. If we were to detach we could want to be taking 6, 8 maybe 10 years to negotiate.

I think the prime minister is doing the best that she can under the circumstances without any help from her own party.

Her own party is shitty yes. But she didn't have to trigger article 50 so quickly or set the deadlines she did. With more understanding and less arrogance she could have made things less difficult for herself.

To be fair, if Junker and JRM were abducted by aliens, the world would be a better place

Not for the aliens it wouldn't. I suspect they'd have dumped them back quite quickly. In fact in the case of JRM you do wonder if he's the product of alien abduction from a planet far away, randomly dumped here when they'd had enough of the odious little turd.

she didn't have to trigger article 50 so quickly or set the deadlines she did. With more understanding and less arrogance she could have made things less difficult for herself.
I agree.

Arrogance gets us nowhere.
It was arrogance that led to the referendum.
It was arrogance that led to a 50% threshold rather than a higher one for major constitutional change.
It was arrogance triggering article 50 so soon.
It was arrogance deciding we are some big superpower and everyone will grovel to us.

Arrogance has caused this shitstorm

Arrogance and a determination to put party before country time and time again.

It was May's decision to call the snap GE, despite having many times said that she wouldn't.
It was May's decision not to resign when she lost her majority. She apparently told the Queen that she could form a government before the DUP had actually signed up for it.
It was May's decision to put Davies, Liam Fox and Boris in charge.

She is no blameless victim of the situation in which she finds herself.

{As if bmw and mercedes can survive without the uk market}

By leaving the EU the UK will be on a steep decline if CU and SM and JIT trade is not facilitated. With all the pratting about there is a very good chance that the big car makers are on the way out. We don't know because the UK government have silenced them with NDAs.
BMW have signed a deal with the Chinese government, or are in the process so that in a bit over 3 years time (quickly in business timescales) they will be building new plants in China who are on the rise and have money, unlike the UK which is falling and will have less money.
A true 'no deal' will mean the UK will break an international peace treaty (NI border) and it risks being sued by companies across the world for defaulting on trade agreements ON TOP of increased tariffs.
No deal does not mean things stay the same, it actually means that 760 odd treaties are cancelled overnight with nothing to replace them. Good look with your simplistic view.

"Nebulous" is an adjective not an insult.

A perfectly valid adjective when used to describe the UK government's current position ...

Anyone who was surprised that the EU didn't want to negotiate any more hasn't been listening for the last 2.5 years.

And anyone who think that the UK government's position is, in fact, not nebulous but instead clear and well-defined needs to explain it to all of us in plain terms.

Agree with Daisypops.
Amd why has JRM and Somerset Capital moved /opened 2 funds in Dublin? And Nigel Lawson sought French residency?
Oviously very confident in the post Brexit world......

I want to send this OP to David Cameron just to bring home to him the sheer recklessness of what he did.

He gave a vote on an incredibly important and nuanced economic, social and political issue to people who clearly didn’t - and still don’t, 2.5 years on - even know what the EU is. Worse still, these people are incapable of distinguishing between an elected official and an institution.

Amd why has JRM and Somerset Capital moved /opened 2 funds in Dublin? And Nigel Lawson sought French residency?

He has answered that, there is a reason why the Guardian et al have quietly dropped mentioning it...

Maybe you should look it up yourself

I don't get the Junker hatred. It's just Daily Mail bandwagoning. Junker is one of the most experienced and well respected politicians in Europe. Theresa May would do well to listen to what he has to say.