To wonder who anyone can look themselves in the mirror, if they still support the EU, after Juncker's appalling behaviour recently?

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Whatever you think of Theresa May, she was handed a poison chalice after that clown David Cameron jumped ship when the LEAVE vote won the EU referendum, and she is trying to please everyone (failing a bit obviously!) But much of the shitstorm of Brexit is not her fault!

Nevertheless, the president of the EU -Jean Claude Juncker - sees fit not only to slag her off behind her back, calling her 'nebulous,' but he also claimed she tried to kiss him afterwards.

As if that wasn't enough, he was seen ruffling an EU official's hair in a condescending 'aren't you a cutie'manner! A woman obviously. He would never have done it to a man!

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/bizarre-moment-jeanclaude-juncker-ruffles-officials-hair-before-brussels-spat-with-theresa-may-a4018196.html

What a misogynistic, repugnant creep he is. And just pretty much represents the EU. Controlling, manipulative, misogynistic, rude, insulting, and dismissive.

Anyone who still supports the EU now, should hang their head in shame. To support an organisation with someone like that at the helm needs to sort themselves and their priorities out, and wake up to what the EU really is. A misogynistic, obnoxious, controlling, rich boys club, who are sore and wounded that the UK are taking their £350 million a week away from them, not singing to their tune, and not taking things lying down.

Dreadful man. Dreadful organisation.

The sooner we are out of the European Union, the better! No deal will suit me just fine. And I know plenty more who think the same.

Ah yes Poor Poor Theresa May...forced into running for the leadership....how could she even have known???

explain how, with examples, Theresa May isn’t “nebulous”.

I can look myself in the mirror fine. I studied politics at university, with a particular interest in political economy. Therefore, I studied the EU and the WTO in depth (my dissertation was on the WTO). I was disappointed that the Remain camp did not point out what leaving the EU would really mean economically and politically, especially for those of us who are not English.

Yep, UK politicians are so wonderful. All fighting amongst themselves and getting new haircuts. My word.

The saddest thing is that the UK is being laughed at around the world for their incompetence and hubris. Came back to bite them though.

Junker the drunk. Did you see him flicking the assistants hair. Like t may doesnt need to go cap in hand / begging the eu !! Have a bit of backbone. As if bmw and mercedes can survive without the uk market
Honestly she has played it terribly. I like her and feel for her at the same time !!

That man sounds horrid but honestly, he's not much different from a lot of other politicians. You can't emigrate from a country every time you don't like the man in charge, you gotta vote him out.

Same applies to the EU.

And I do think you are underinformed with regard to the financial benefits the UK gains from being in the EU.

But she is nebulous.

And a considerable portion of the problems negotiating with the EU are her fault. Triggering article 50 before knowing what it was she wanted, the red lines that she’s tied herself in knots with, negotiatiog with both the EU and her own party in a vague way in order to keep up a pretence.

Don’t even get started on the outright lies to the public and party, going behind the back of the EU negotiator and saying one thing to him and then something else to the EU leaders.

This is an effective debunking of the £350 million a week claim fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/ for anyone still believing this shit

Anyone who still supports the EU now, should hang their head in shame

No. I find the behaviour of British MPs shameful. Ian Dunt gives a more balanced, thorough takedown of this, if anyone is interested. Essentially leaving the EU has always been about the Tory party, not about the UK. It's about Rees-Mogg and his allies getting tax breaks.

The EU is far from perfect. And I can see why some people might want to leave but anyone I have spoken to who voted leave has next to no grasp of the complexities of the situation. This has been the problem with our negotiating position. This is why May appears nebulous. Remember our minister for exiting the EU had only just realised that Dover-Calais is an important crossing. Nadine Dorries thinks we have a bad deal because we will have no MEPs, which lets face it was apparently the whole fucking point that dimwits like her were making. They wanted out, they wanted no MEPs. The Tory party is a clueless shambles; its MPs are only interested in themselves.

Well aren't you just a special person.

I don't want to leave the Eu at all but I certainly don't want to crash out with No Deal.

Thanks for demonstrating the typical Quiters stereotype though

What a twat and I suspect that he does represent the exact type of man running the EU.

The EU is "run" by all its member states, including the UK.

Interesting how Brexhadis claim the EU is "run" by a woman (Merkel) when it suits them.

Just curious, would you vote to remain in the EU if Juncker was kicked out?

I'm from an EU country, and I would totally make that deal. (Though a lot of us are very hurt that you don't want to be friends with us anymore and say we are better off without you and your refusal to use euros, anyway.)

Anyone who gets upset over the word nebulous is a twat imo.

Oh heck, who cares if UK leaves. Go now.

Why all the discussions and Withdrawal Agreement stuff?

Must be something to do with MONEY and TRADE. Get it?

Even amongst all the other stupid posts by Leavers this one stands out.
Ffs

How do you know no deal will suit you fine OP. You don't kniw what it will be like until it happens.

As if bmw and mercedes can survive without the uk market

They sell around 1 in 7 of their cars to the UK. It will affect them, but kill them off? Probably not. They've had time to adjust and think about how to plug the gap. It's incredibly arrogant to assume they depend entirely on the UK market. We're not that important on our own.

Hang on while I try and find enough biscuits...

It would be utterly ridiculous to make major decisions affecting the future of millions of people on the basis of personal dislike of one man.

No, he isn't the EU but he is the person that most-not all- people would name if asked to come up with an EU name. As such, he is closely identified with it and they seem happy for that to be the case.

I think he is a revolting, self serving little man. He's not on his own in that of course but that's what he is and that is, I imagine, with a whole lot of people in the background trying to present him in a better way.

You cannot polish a turd, as they now probably realise.

He didn't call her nebulous (which would be a weird thing to call a person), he called the UK government's position nebulous, which is an extremely polite term for what it is: risible, embarrassing, staggeringly incompetent, arrogant, and FUBAR would all be more accurate descriptions.

If he had called her nebulous then, again, it would have been far more polite than she deserves. This is a woman so thick and incompetent that she thinks she can simultaneously promise parliament she'll talk the EU round and promise the EU she'll talk parliament round and no-one will spot the flaw in her cunning plan. The EU leaders have put up with her delusional bullshit for 2.5 years with far more good grace than I could ever have managed. They have also, as Tusk rightly said yesterday, been much more respectful of her than many MPs.

*Am I right in thinking he turned Luxembourg into a place where people could do clever things with avoiding tax? He is paid almost £2million a year isn't he but I suppose wine is expensive!

I love the way we can now prefix with "am I right" and add in a "I suppose" and "isn't he" and completely absolve ourselves from writing anything factual!

In early November 2014, just days after becoming head of the commission, Juncker was hit by media disclosures—derived from a document leak known as LuxLeaks—that Luxembourg under his premiership had turned into a major European centre of corporate tax avoidance. With the aid of the Luxembourg government, companies transferred tax liability for many billions of euros to Luxembourg, where the income was taxed at a fraction of 1%. Juncker, who in a speech in Brussels in July 2014 promised to "try to put some morality, some ethics, into the European tax landscape", was sharply criticised following the leaks.[53] A subsequent motion of censure in the European parliament was brought against Juncker over his role in the tax avoidance schemes. The motion was defeated by a large majority.[54]

In 2017, leaked diplomatic cables show Juncker, as Luxembourg's prime minister from 1995 until the end of 2013, blocked EU efforts to fight tax avoidance by multinational corporations. Luxembourg agreed to multinational businesses on an individualised deal basis, often at an effective rate of less than 1%.[55]

And by the way, I am staunchly in the Remain camp, but I don't know anybody who is a big fan of Juncker - but luckily most of us are capable of looking logically at the overall picture and are not 14 year old school girls who need to fangirl over someone in order to support the EU.

I'd have thought nebulous is in fact fairly flattering as a description of Tory govts brexit policies