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To think Harry and Meghan’s photo is odd looking?!

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MissyCooper · 15/12/2018 02:59

Just having a look at the royal family Christmas card pics. Very nice. Love William and Kate’s family pic. How sweet are those kids 😍

Lots of people on Twitter raving about Meghan and Harry’s photo. I genuinely really like Harry and Meghan. Nothing against them whatsoever.

But I absolutely refuse to believe that i am alone in thinking their photo is so awkward looking!

She looks stunning and the background is amazing but it just looks weird! I think it’s the way he’s standing. It’s not elegant. It looks really odd to me.

Anyone else??

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katekat383 · 18/12/2018 13:32

Diana was truly beautiful. Wow

Honeyroar · 18/12/2018 13:38

That is funny. So staged! Diana in riding wear when she hated it.

ViragoKnows · 18/12/2018 13:38

It looks like a Ralph Lauren advert portraying English upper class life as seen by an American.

It DOES! Grin

derxa · 18/12/2018 13:41

Kate M attracted huge snobbery I know and a lot of it was written on here. I was accused of being Carole Middleton for defending her. Grin

TwitToWoo · 18/12/2018 14:00

I believe that some criticism of Meghan is fuelled by racism

And that’s the problem...people like you always believe that because it suits your need to believe yourself morally & intellectually superior to the unwashed masses. Never mind that you can’t point to any actual racism, that crystal ball that you consult lets you read minds so you know what you know, right?

Nobody knows what’s gone on with Meghan and her father - but the fact remains that she was the one who chose to bring him into the public arena. It really wasn’t that long ago that she was posting extremely syrupy messages about and to him on social media - all about her “Daddy” and how he’d inspired her all her life. She posted cutsey pics of him and even gave him the starring role in a heavily embroidered tale about herself campaigning for feminism aged 11.

But now she’s famous for getting married & he has to shut up? Why? If what he is saying is true - that he’s been dumped for posing for photographs (something she’s been doing for years) - then he has every right be upset and every right to talk to whoever he likes about it. You cannot invite the public’s opinion on your family in the way that Meghan was doing when it suited her then pull up the drawbridge when it no longer does.

I will never like Meghan because I think what she did pre-Harry is inexcusable. To go to a country like Rwanda where people are living desperate lives, pose up a storm for photographs for your lifestyle blog and write an article praising yourself for being a lifelong social justice warrior - but never once, not one single time, talk about a single issue that Rwandans are facing is, in my opinion, appalling. It’s cynical, exploitative and shameful.

And it’s not just that. All of her (extremely minor) forays into “humanitarianism” can be dissected in the same way. Both of her speeches were about herself exclusively and her quick trip to India looks very much like a cobbled together exercise to cover herself for having claimed previously (in several interviews) that she (all by herself) was setting up a girls’ program in India. (The charity she ended up visiting was set up two years before and a) not by Markle, b) not by anyone who had ever met Markle and c) not by WaterAid, the charity who funded her photo-opportunity trip to Rwanda).

So, no...as a public figure, I do not like Meghan Markle, and I think my reasons for that are sound. I don’t like any zelebs who behave the way she did & I think they all deserve to be called out on it. She doesn’t get a free pass because she has a famous husband.

But I truly detest those people (and there are many) who refuse to allow her to be spoken about as an actual human being rather than just a skin colour. When we judge people on the content of their character (as MLK famously requested) then it’s an oscenity to use colour to prevent those judgements. Shame onthose trying to...especially when it’s for their own benefit (“See Internet? I’m not racist! How can I be when I LOVE Meghan Markle?!”) rather than anyone else’s.

limitedperiodonly · 18/12/2018 14:15

And that’s the problem...people like you always believe that because it suits your need to believe yourself morally & intellectually superior to the unwashed masses.

It's nearly 2.15pm and I am currently still unwashed and in my dressing gown TwitToWoo. It's my day off.

I have to go to Sainsbury's now to get something for tonight's tea but on my return I promise to read your post and respond.

katekat383 · 18/12/2018 14:48

TwitToWoo

An excellent post. My feelings entirely.

IcedPurple · 18/12/2018 15:23

To go to a country like Rwanda where people are living desperate lives, pose up a storm for photographs for your lifestyle blog and write an article praising yourself for being a lifelong social justice warrior - but never once, not one single time, talk about a single issue that Rwandans are facing is, in my opinion, appalling

Was it you who posted a link (on one the deleted threads) about her all expenses paid, photographers at the ready, trip to Rwanda? As I recall, it contained precisely 2 sentences about Rwanda, and pages and pages about... Meghan Markle. I thought I was reading a parody, but no, it was real!

isitspringyet · 18/12/2018 15:38

TwitToWoo
Excellent post sums her up perfectly

user1457017537 · 18/12/2018 15:41

And this is why MM is not trusted and even disliked.

LuciaSpain · 18/12/2018 15:53

TwitToWoo, agree completely.

IcedPurple · 18/12/2018 16:00

If what he is saying is true - that he’s been dumped for posing for photographs (something she’s been doing for years) - then he has every right be upset and every right to talk to whoever he likes about it.

I'm not a fan of Meghan and agree with almost everything you've written. But in fairness, when her father posed for photos without consulting with her first, wasn't she well within her rights to be pissed off, given her position?

ViragoKnows · 18/12/2018 17:57

At first I thought he had no control of his mouth. But now i think he’s made a deliberate decision to pressure for a resolution through the media. Still doesnt seem great tactics to me, but clearly he does. None of that family seem to be reserved or shy, with the exception of Meg’s mum.

IcedPurple · 18/12/2018 18:16

But now i think he’s made a deliberate decision to pressure for a resolution through the media

He must know there's no chance of that happening, surely? Seems more like a money-making, publicity-seeking strategy on his behalf.

ViragoKnows · 18/12/2018 18:34

He must know there's no chance of that happening, surely?

Obviously not Grin

I also think that a Prince and a Palace telling an American to hush up is a sure fire way of making that American talk.

limitedperiodonly · 18/12/2018 18:54

I don't know what Meghan Markle is like and neither do any of the other people on this thread.

But where I come from, your dad doesn't go around insinuating that his daughter is a controlling cunt unless he wants to suggest that it's something she learned as a defence mechanism from him.

user1457017537 · 18/12/2018 19:45

I have nothing to add and obviously don’t know the rights or wrongs of this feud, but in her blog, The Tig, MM praised her father for his support and was gushing in her live for her father. So something is not adding up

user1457017537 · 18/12/2018 19:45

love not live

beanaseireann · 18/12/2018 20:24

I'm just not trusting Meghan.
I hope she loves Harry. He deserves to be loved.

limitedperiodonly · 18/12/2018 20:32

I'm just not trusting Meghan. I hope she loves Harry. He deserves to be loved.

Anyone reminded of

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JamieVardysHavingAParty · 19/12/2018 09:58

Pointing to racist criticism of MM is really not that hard. On the last thread about her, an MNer used a link to an absolutely insane blog with comments about bloody Aryan supremacy!

I grant you that overt racism is mostly not posted on mumsnet directly, because we have a strict policy against it, but it's posted elsewhere. Given the presence of egregrious racism jumping up and down on the less moderated internet spaces, I can't really think that MN is a genuine utopia where everyone dislikes MM purely for her character.

Some people dislike her just on character grounds. There are a few people I genuinely believe solely dislike her on character grounds, in fact.

But in general? There are two main ways to interpret MN discourse regarding our new Duchess, and the different tone it takes compared to other sites.

The first is that Mumsnet is a space solely populated by angelic people who have never had a subconscious racist thought in their lives, and certainly never an overt one.

The second is that Mumsnet is made up of people like everywhere else (perhaps tends to draw a more educated demographic than some sites and has a lower rate of out-and-out racists), but as a whole, people know that openly racist comments get deleted and, not being complete twerps, they conform to the rules.

Which scenario do you think I find more plausible?

ViragoKnows · 19/12/2018 10:00

Which scenario do you think I find more plausible?

That MN is populated by a wide range of people just like everywhere else?

And that therefore assuming ALL criticism of Markle is racially-motivated is completely batshit? But assuming that some of it probably is, is reasonable?

ViragoKnows · 19/12/2018 10:02

katekat383/SilentIsla/BrightonGallery/RoseWhiteTips

Oh!!

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 19/12/2018 10:10

And that therefore assuming ALL criticism of Markle is racially-motivated is completely batshit? But assuming that some of it probably is, is reasonable?

Funnily enough, that's where I am.