To blame Have I Got News For You for the mess we’re currently in?

[BertrandRussell]

None of this would have happened if Johnston, Farage and Rees-Mogg hadn’t been invited on and been allowed to present themselves as “good sports”.

I'm more pissed off with the people who didn't bother voting.

That'd be me then.
My rationale - it didn't matter.
There were 2 outcomes from the referendum

• we vote to leave and go through a troubled unsettling time whilst we work out what that'll be. There'll be short term turbulence, but a new future will emerge.
• we vote to remain. Farage and co do not suddenly disappear in a puff of smoke. The UKIP cause continues to gain credence amongst the disaffected, and they work their loss to their benefit by linking it to an establishment suppression of the people. Pressure mounts on the government to alter the relationship with the EU and/or the example of UKIP fuels nationalism and anti-EU sentiment in other nations until the EU faces a significant challenge. Thus ushers in a troubled, unsettled time.....yadda yadda yadda

I blame the voters who didn't bother.

12,948,018 voters didn't fucking bother.

Bastards.

For all the people saying none of as are all that different and why should anyone be nervous about large scale Muslim immigration, it's fine if you have no concerns about it. It isn't just a demographic change though it's a cultural one, the Islamic and the Western world are quite different. Census data shows that where there are large Muslim populations, white people leave. There is no integration, it's a myth. The same is true across Europe. Perhaps you are right and it's because people are racists and islamaphobes and you should be all cool with halal butchery etc but not everyone shares your views and it needs to be discussed.

As I say though, I don't see that the EU is to blame, but that is what informed a lot of the leave vote.

All of us, if we are lucky, will be old one day. Will we suddenly become thick and easilymanipulated?

A regular complaint is the decline in our education system - many of our own children are in it. Will they suddenly become a member of this helpless group?

And all of us could be poor - some of us already are - will we suddenly have no right to be listened to or to have our rights upheld?

The people most afraid of Muslims are generally the ones who don’t know any and don’t live in areas with large Muslim populations. (The Leave vote is often highest in areas with the fewest immigrants).

London has the biggest Muslim population in the country, yet voted to Remain. My borough was 75% Remain.

Sadly, our children do risk developing critical faculties and being more ignorant than they should be because the education system is working so badly at the moment. So our children may not be helpless, but they risk being less equipped to evaluate information and the sources of information.

Of course 'old' doesn't equate with 'thick.' But significant numbers of older people do find change more difficult, and do become more fearful, so yes - they are an easier group to manipulate.

I don't think anybody has said that poor people have no right to be listened to, or to have their rights upheld.

the Islamic and the Western world are quite different

Beyond the headlines, no they're not. Nor are they dichotemous. There are plenty of western muslims. There are many different strands of muslim; all of which have hugely varying levels of affiliation with active practice.
The bible, torah, and koran all stem from the same initial texts. Most of the rules in sharia law that get everyone so worked up are there in the bible and torah too. Western nations tend to just blow it off though, as do the vast majority of muslims within western nations. The exceptions are the jerk-water states run by fanatics. But I bet you wouldn't like western values being defined by the westboro baptist church.

And white flight (or specifically white middle class flight) is not limited to 'muslim' invasion...but in the arrival of any non-WASP.

Tower hamlets is not the sort of place white people dream of living in my experience. White people are a minority there so I'm not sure why it can be taken as read that the EU referendum vote there is evidence that white British people are generally enthusiastic about Islamic immigration.

There is no such thing as one sharia law, it varies country by country. The type of sharia law adopted by sharia courts in Britain is a particularly regressive patriarchial one.

Where did Tower Hamlets come from?

Well because tower hamlets has the highest Muslim population by percentage in the UK.

Tower hamlets is not the sort of place white people dream of living in my experience

Does anyone dream of living in crowded inner-city spaces? I don't imagine this is some beacon for black, asian, or any other folks either.

Love how the EU vote has boiled down to Islamic immigration.

Showing the xenophobia of the leave voting crowd to a tee.

You know its fucking funny that you lot repeatedly show yourselves up?

There are plenty of places in Tower Hamlets I would love to live. And the house prices are very high in lots of Tower Hamlets.

BTW Tower Hamlets had a population fall from the 1940s onwards, before the immigration from Bangladesh and other areas began.

Just saying that's all, facts seem to elude Brexit voters. Its all about the feelz.

No one entity is responsible.

I blame the likes of the Daily Mail who perpetuated myths about the EU.

I blame a lack of understanding in the general public about what the EU does, as evidenced by people like my Dad who thought we were leaving the European Court of Human Rights.

I blame the ultra rich elite who have lots to gain from the British economy in free fall.

I blame the baby boomer generation who benefited massively from free education and low housing costs and then took steps to ensure they were secure at the detriment of the younger generations post 2008.

I blame the racists that hide their opinions most of the time but make them clear on the ballot papers.

I blame Russia who have so much to gain from a weakened Britain so they poured dirty money into the leave campaign.

I blame the Tory party for showing time and time again that they put party over country.

I blame the Tory party voters for ignoring the poverty around them and sticking to blue regardless.

I blame Jeremy Corbyn for being a closet Eurosceptic since he can't fulfill most of his agenda within the EU.

I blame the left for being too focused on identity politics to put up a real opposition.

I blame social media for the fuelling of tribal politics and the promotion of fake news.

HIGNFY is pretty low on my list to be honest.

How do you feel about Halal slaughter Boris ? Does it make me a xenophobe to want it to be banned in this country ? You sound about 12 and clueless.

What if any connection is there between Muslim immigration and the EU? There aren't any majority Muslim countries in the EU?

Your arguments are typical of the problem. Do you want to see Islam as the main religion in the UK in the future ? Do you think anyone who might be opposed to that is a "xenophobe" ?

What if any connection is there between Muslim immigration and the EU? There aren't any majority Muslim countries in the EU

When German admits 1,000,000 Muslims they can become EU citizens and once they are EU citizens they can go anywhere.

In fact only france seems to have a higher percentage of muslims than the UK...and we are at 5%. Can't really imagine them taking over any time soon then!

elon we admit a quarter of that number ourselves every single year due to our very own non-EU immigration policy.

Why worry about those who are going to Germany?

None of this would have happened if the UK weren't full of a load of thick, ignorant oiks.

Well really, this is what depresses me about so many of the Remain comments. If this is the best you can do it would rather suggest that you are the thick and ignorant one. I won't use the oik word as it is derogatory and demeans only the user. The vast majority of Remain voter s with whom I have spoken, show a spectacular ignorance of the evolution of the EU, its current functioning and bullying behavior. Somewhere in all this mud slinging is a whole pile of ill informed claptrap. A useful reflection came from Racing Driver

Little Albatross, well named. Well after all we are in the blame culture

I agree OP, if only because they had JRM on and allowed him to foster his image as an upper-class, old-fashioned fuddy-duddy and fool people into ignoring his extremely sinister right-wing Thatcher-on-steroids views and that fact that if the UK were to devolve back into Victorian society where the poor knew their place he would be delighted. My aunt, a life long hard working nurse and Labour supporter actually likes him because his "gentlemanly" manners make her miss the time when people were more polite like him... FFS.