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AIBU upset with my Mum re these comments about housing?

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Augusta2012 · 10/12/2018 19:38

I currently rent and have been lucky enough to inherit some money and am soon going to be able to buy my own home. My current home is a terrace in a northern city, everybody uses their back doors here, which means the middle terraces like us have to allow our neighbours plus all their visitors and delivery men etc access through our garden and we can’t lock the garden gate which opens out onto a busy road. It also has two “sheds” which are actually the huts for the disused toilets of the houses either side of us but our in our garden even though they are their sheds. It’s far too dangerous for our kids to play out there unsupervised and their garden toys are forever being nicked. There is one bathroom between 5 of us and the toilet is in there which causes issues. It has three bedrooms, but all the terraces around here have the loft converted into the third bedroom, so we have very, very little storage space. We have a kitchen and living room downstairs, but our living room is tiny and very cramped when we’re all in there, the kids have very little space to play with their toys. There is no hall and the external doors open directly into the rooms. We’re not amazingly well off people and have to be careful with money usually.

My parents live in London in a very nice 4 bedroom house with two large receptions, kitchen, 2 bathrooms, study and a conservatory and a large garden. They bought this for peanuts in the 80s and both retired in their 50s. Which is lovely because they come from working class northern families and my Dad grew up in a council flat and my Mum in a traditional terrace where she lived with her grandparents and parents.

For some reason, my Mum seems to have become really fixated on the idea that when we buy we should buy a terrace like the one we have even though it is really unsuitable for what we need.

This first came up when I mentioned our new house would need a second toilet downstairs for when the bathroom is in use and because a disabled family member who visits can’t manage stairs and hasn’t been able to visit recently because of it. It would be impossible to do that in a terrace around here. My Mum instantly got a right bee in her bonnet about it and started insisting that the solution was to buy a terrace with an outdoor toilet “shed” and get it back into working order. So we can send our kids in the dark, through a garden which is publicly accessible to strangers and anybody who cares to walk in, in any weather, with no heating and accessible to any small animals strata or wildlife that would like to make their home there. Apparently she had an outside loo in the 1950s and once we went to stay at a caravan for ten days which had an outside loo in the south of France, not fucking Yorkshire so that means it must be okay. Tried to argue back, not least because I think social services would frown on that arrangement, but she just wasn’t having it and insisted it was the perfect solution.

A few months later, the subject came up again because I mentioned how much I was looking forward to getting a garden we could make use of. She immediately said we didn’t need a garden. The house she grew up in in the 50s had no garden and it never did her any harm. So I pointed out it was the 50s, far fewer cars and kids played out in the cobbled streets, it was much safer and they lived in a community where everybody knew everybody else and most mothers were housewives so could take their kids out to the park any time they wanted to. It was common in those days pre Moors murders for fairly young children to walk from the city to the countryside on their own. But she was adamant we don’t need a garden.

She’s also adamant that we don’t need any more room because in the 50s they had a similar amount of room and it never bothered them.

So it all came to a head today because we have found a semi we like and she is dead set against it. I send her some pictures, and she responded with a picture of what she thought we should get instead, it’s smaller than what we already have, it’s an end of terrace, no room to expand. What used to be the kitchen has been converted into a downstairs shower room, and a tiny kitchenette has been installed in one of the reception rooms. It’s overpriced and a bit of a dump, maybe had a lick of paint, but clearly a buy to let where the landlord has just put the cheapest option in to make it habitable so it looks a bit institutionally and grim. Very small overgrown yard which has access through it. Overpriced too.

I told her I hated it and would never buy it. She emailed me back and said it was perfectly suitable because her Great Grandmother had lived in one just like that. In the Victorian era. In a great deal of poverty.

So I’ve finally pulled her up on it and said how hurtful it is that she keeps justifying telling us that we should live like others did when they were really poor and in a great deal of poverty. It’s like she doesn’t see us as worthy of anything nice and just thinks we should move into any old shithole because it’s all we deserve. I would imagine most parents would want to encourage their children out of a situation where they had to use an outside loo, were overcrowded and had no space for their children to play. I can’t understand why she is so desperate to push us into that situation. My brother, who she has always favoured, has a smaller family than me but a very large house in London. She never told him he shouldn’t bother with a garden or have an outside karsey or was buying somewhere too big because some Victorian relative who was one step up from the workhouse had made do fine with a tiny house.

I asked he to stop saying these things to me and told her it hurt me because she’s making us feel beneath her and less worthy than the rest of them and just that she sees us as undeserving and believes we should accept living a life in poverty. She has all the things she’s told us we don’t need, and has never in her adult life lived in the sort of place she wants us to live in.

She’s adamant she has done absolutely nothing wrong and wants me to apologise for being upset about it.

So AIBU, or is she?

OP posts:
perfectionistchaos · 10/12/2018 19:41

Stop sending her pictures, stop discussing this with her, stop engaging.

Easier said than done, I know, but you'll never get what you want from her.

Augusta2012 · 10/12/2018 19:42

Oh her great gran had six kids in there with her. I only have 3 so clearly need no more room than and overcrowded Victorian slum dwelling.

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Augusta2012 · 10/12/2018 19:43

She’s the executrix which makes it harder. I think she’s trying to hold off releasing the money until she’s browbeaten us into getting what she wants. Gah!

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SassitudeandSparkle · 10/12/2018 19:45

As the PP said, absolutely no need to send pictures or discuss this with her at all, you are just winding her up - stop looking for her approval and get on with the purchase that suits you and your family.

Fuglywitch · 10/12/2018 19:45

Be polite, say thanks for the advice, but we want to get this house. If you have to, say you listed the pros and cons and have thought about it. Get the house you want. Its your money and if you buy the right house, it can be a valuable nest egg. Most people don't want terraced, shared access etc. Good luck. Enjoy your new home.

reallyanotherone · 10/12/2018 19:45

Yep, stop involving her in your house purchase.

Also practice on repeat “no mum, we can afford something a bit nicer” everyttime she shows you something unsuitable.

poorbuthappy · 10/12/2018 19:45

She's sounds horrid.
Stop engaging. As PP said easier said than done.
Legally she can't stop the money so maybe a strongly worded solicitors letter to the estates solicitors would help?
Alternatively tell her you agree and are putting an offer in?

Iknowthatguy · 10/12/2018 19:45

Just stop discussing it with her. You don't need her permission or approval.

AntMoon · 10/12/2018 19:45

It's no one else's business what you want to buy, I'd distance the whole thing from her.

You really don't need her approval, much less her opinion.

But I could be projecting, can't stand my over-opinionated and judgemental mother!

5fivestar · 10/12/2018 19:46

I have never asked my mother for her opinion on a pair of trousers nevermind a house

Youmadorwhat · 10/12/2018 19:46

I’m not gonna pretend I understand the whole letting everyone use your gate etc because I don’t 🤣 waaay too confusing. Yes she IBU. But if your Mum is in London and you are up north then why do you need to send her pictures of the houses you like?? Do you value her opinion that much? It doesn’t sound like you do (or should). Only you know what your family needs so just go ahead and buy a house and then let her know when you have moved! Tbh I think she is possibly jealous that she didn’t have the same opportunity as you or I am possibly reading this all wrong? Anyway I hope you find a property you like that suits you (not your Mum)

perfectionistchaos · 10/12/2018 19:46

Could you be airy and vague - oh yes, that does look lovely, organise viewings etc. and then "change your mind" when she releases the money? She can't hang onto it indefinitely.

OutragedERIC · 10/12/2018 19:47

Smile, nod and carry on as you were. I don’t think I even showed my mum this house before we bought it.

WoogleCone · 10/12/2018 19:48

Yeah you just need to stop talking to her about it.

Don't tell her when you make an offer, don't tell her about completion. Give her your new address only when you step through your new front door.

She's being awful so just protect yourself from it. And happy house hunting, get yourself something glorious :)

AntMoon · 10/12/2018 19:48

@Augusta2012

She’s the executrix which makes it harder. I think she’s trying to hold off releasing the money until she’s browbeaten us

In that case, pay lip service and say what she wants to hear until the funds are released to you. Then do what you want. Honestly, you won't win this. She sounds unreasonable and controlling.

paintinmyhairAgain · 10/12/2018 19:49

what is her problem ? what does great great gran have anything ? outside toiletin this day and age, jog on 'd'm.

CrazyOldBagLady · 10/12/2018 19:49

I think you should just let her comments go over your head. She's been very odd about it, but really it's nothing to do with her. Just smile and nod, don't engage or justify, just say things like 'We've decided that's not what we want', then move on.

Aquamarine1029 · 10/12/2018 19:51

Honestly, op. You KNOW what your mother is like, yet you keep engaging her on the subject of your new home. At this point, you are bringing this all upon yourself. Clearly, this area of discussion must be completely off limits. Why you keep looking for her approval is beyond me. This is your decision and has absolutely nothing to do with her. Just stop the madness already.

PumpkinKitty82 · 10/12/2018 19:53

No idea what her problem is or why she wouldn’t want the best for you all.
How bizarre to live in a big house but expect you to cram in to a hovel..
No offence meant ,I’m just being over the top !

Knittedfairies · 10/12/2018 19:53

She sounds jealous; jealous in the way some slim people don’t like their fat friends losing weight because it means they’re not ‘better’ any more.

pallisers · 10/12/2018 19:54

Sounds like just because she is the executor, she feels that the money is in some way passing through her so is hers and she gets an opinion on what you use it for. It isn't and she doesn't.

I love that she wants you to apologise for being upset. Does she often tell you that your feelings are wrong and you are wrong to have them?

I would just stop engaging with her about it. Don't send anything. If you need to, politely ask her when the estate will be completed and your funds sent to your account and make your house purchase accordingly. If she sends you photos or tells you where you should be buying just ignore "yes I know great grandmother reared 10 in a shed. Fascinating really. Did you see corrie last night?"

SaucyJack · 10/12/2018 19:55

What a tiresome twat.

Tell her to sell her big house and move back into a terrace up North if pissing in an outhouse is such marvellous fun.

onalongsabbatical · 10/12/2018 20:00

Are you sure she's all right? The heavy nostalgia is a dementia symptom.

Joinourclub · 10/12/2018 20:01

I think her worry is that you will overstretch yourselves and end up having to ask her for money.

Sparklybanana · 10/12/2018 20:02

She doesn’t get any of the leftover money does she? You get a dump to live in and she gets a holiday in the Bahamas? Seems a bit odd that’s she dead against you living in a non terraced house.
I’d do what the others suggest and last minute buy another house of your liking. Or ask her flat out for the money. She’s the gatekeeper not the owner of the money.