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AIBU upset with my Mum re these comments about housing?

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Augusta2012 · 10/12/2018 19:38

I currently rent and have been lucky enough to inherit some money and am soon going to be able to buy my own home. My current home is a terrace in a northern city, everybody uses their back doors here, which means the middle terraces like us have to allow our neighbours plus all their visitors and delivery men etc access through our garden and we can’t lock the garden gate which opens out onto a busy road. It also has two “sheds” which are actually the huts for the disused toilets of the houses either side of us but our in our garden even though they are their sheds. It’s far too dangerous for our kids to play out there unsupervised and their garden toys are forever being nicked. There is one bathroom between 5 of us and the toilet is in there which causes issues. It has three bedrooms, but all the terraces around here have the loft converted into the third bedroom, so we have very, very little storage space. We have a kitchen and living room downstairs, but our living room is tiny and very cramped when we’re all in there, the kids have very little space to play with their toys. There is no hall and the external doors open directly into the rooms. We’re not amazingly well off people and have to be careful with money usually.

My parents live in London in a very nice 4 bedroom house with two large receptions, kitchen, 2 bathrooms, study and a conservatory and a large garden. They bought this for peanuts in the 80s and both retired in their 50s. Which is lovely because they come from working class northern families and my Dad grew up in a council flat and my Mum in a traditional terrace where she lived with her grandparents and parents.

For some reason, my Mum seems to have become really fixated on the idea that when we buy we should buy a terrace like the one we have even though it is really unsuitable for what we need.

This first came up when I mentioned our new house would need a second toilet downstairs for when the bathroom is in use and because a disabled family member who visits can’t manage stairs and hasn’t been able to visit recently because of it. It would be impossible to do that in a terrace around here. My Mum instantly got a right bee in her bonnet about it and started insisting that the solution was to buy a terrace with an outdoor toilet “shed” and get it back into working order. So we can send our kids in the dark, through a garden which is publicly accessible to strangers and anybody who cares to walk in, in any weather, with no heating and accessible to any small animals strata or wildlife that would like to make their home there. Apparently she had an outside loo in the 1950s and once we went to stay at a caravan for ten days which had an outside loo in the south of France, not fucking Yorkshire so that means it must be okay. Tried to argue back, not least because I think social services would frown on that arrangement, but she just wasn’t having it and insisted it was the perfect solution.

A few months later, the subject came up again because I mentioned how much I was looking forward to getting a garden we could make use of. She immediately said we didn’t need a garden. The house she grew up in in the 50s had no garden and it never did her any harm. So I pointed out it was the 50s, far fewer cars and kids played out in the cobbled streets, it was much safer and they lived in a community where everybody knew everybody else and most mothers were housewives so could take their kids out to the park any time they wanted to. It was common in those days pre Moors murders for fairly young children to walk from the city to the countryside on their own. But she was adamant we don’t need a garden.

She’s also adamant that we don’t need any more room because in the 50s they had a similar amount of room and it never bothered them.

So it all came to a head today because we have found a semi we like and she is dead set against it. I send her some pictures, and she responded with a picture of what she thought we should get instead, it’s smaller than what we already have, it’s an end of terrace, no room to expand. What used to be the kitchen has been converted into a downstairs shower room, and a tiny kitchenette has been installed in one of the reception rooms. It’s overpriced and a bit of a dump, maybe had a lick of paint, but clearly a buy to let where the landlord has just put the cheapest option in to make it habitable so it looks a bit institutionally and grim. Very small overgrown yard which has access through it. Overpriced too.

I told her I hated it and would never buy it. She emailed me back and said it was perfectly suitable because her Great Grandmother had lived in one just like that. In the Victorian era. In a great deal of poverty.

So I’ve finally pulled her up on it and said how hurtful it is that she keeps justifying telling us that we should live like others did when they were really poor and in a great deal of poverty. It’s like she doesn’t see us as worthy of anything nice and just thinks we should move into any old shithole because it’s all we deserve. I would imagine most parents would want to encourage their children out of a situation where they had to use an outside loo, were overcrowded and had no space for their children to play. I can’t understand why she is so desperate to push us into that situation. My brother, who she has always favoured, has a smaller family than me but a very large house in London. She never told him he shouldn’t bother with a garden or have an outside karsey or was buying somewhere too big because some Victorian relative who was one step up from the workhouse had made do fine with a tiny house.

I asked he to stop saying these things to me and told her it hurt me because she’s making us feel beneath her and less worthy than the rest of them and just that she sees us as undeserving and believes we should accept living a life in poverty. She has all the things she’s told us we don’t need, and has never in her adult life lived in the sort of place she wants us to live in.

She’s adamant she has done absolutely nothing wrong and wants me to apologise for being upset about it.

So AIBU, or is she?

OP posts:
EvaHarknessRose · 11/12/2018 07:51

Good luck with your purchase. If she has been a poor Mum to you, I guess that this will continue until your purchase. Do you plan to disengage after that? An alternative way would be to go quiet for a bit and then start talking about it again, but never about the ‘real’ houses you are interested in.

Juells · 11/12/2018 08:01

I agree with other posters - you should consult a solicitor. If your mother has pissed the money to the four winds you'll have an awful job trying to get her to repay it. You need to know what the situation is right now, and that the money is where it should be, and as much as it should be.

headinhands · 11/12/2018 08:38

I'm confused that you use the word 'push'. She can't push you into anything so it's not the issue you think. You want her to be happy with your decisions. She isn't. I wouldn't discuss anything about it with her.

CarolDanvers · 11/12/2018 08:47

My Mum is a bit like this and I put it down to her perception of single parents ie that they should struggle; that’s just what they do. My sister on the other hand is happily married and has a lovely home and that’s fine, she can have and do what she wants. For me and my slightly shameful single status, I should be buying second hand, dying and cutting my own hair at home, NEVER going on holidays, one or two nights out a year is fine but anymore than that and I got sulky faces and a weird disapproving tone if I asked my parents to have my kids despite their constant gushing about how they love having them. It sounds like she has this perception of you needing to Start Small and is made unconfirmed by you breaking the “rules” and jumping straight to The Big House. Very annoying and I don’t really have contact with my parents now.

NachosPlease · 11/12/2018 08:49

I don’t think you’re allowed to have only an outdoor loo are you? You have to have one inside as well? We used to live in a terrace (in the north) and the house had been extended at the back and the bathroom had been fitted where the outdoor loo would have been, I assume all the plumbing was already there.

Bestseller · 11/12/2018 08:56

Fwiw my northern gran lived in a big detatched house but it was still always the back door. It was very odd if the front door bell rang because that meant "strangers". Ie people from out of town.

Even the milk was delivered at the back door. It was like going to a foreign country when we went to stay Grin

We had this issue with mil when we bought our first detatched house. We had a house very similar to hers but we had it younger and she felt it had come much easier to us. She was jealous.

Bluntness100 · 11/12/2018 08:57

Is there a concern over the inheritance? Why is she in control of it and not a solicitor? Why is it not being processed normally to you? And could she be worried about on going affordibaility? Are you married? Is she worried about you giving half the house to a partner?

I am struggling to understand why someone would be this awful to their own child and wish to negatively impact their grandkids standard of living in this context.

flumpybear · 11/12/2018 09:07

She's being bloody awful to you - play her st her own game 'thanks mum but I'd rather have a house like my brother's or yours - no point in buying smaller than both of you when my family is bigger and I have the funds to do it '

Is she trying to make you out to be unsuccessful and run you down?

MiniCooperLover · 11/12/2018 09:13

Is t possible she's spent some of the inheritance or wants some of it so is trying to encourage you to buy cheaper?

Augusta2012 · 11/12/2018 09:19

My Mum has definitely not pinched the money! She wouldn’t do that I am certain. It’s also not debt or being jealous of the money because we’re buying outright and she has also been left some.

The house they bought 'for peanuts' in the 80s only seems such by today's prices, probably a lot then!

I think it was about 2/3 times their wage I think. The house value has increased about 5000% since then. Wages haven’t.

And I think it was clear that her northern monkey comment was a joke (I live up north, not offended by it).

Apologies if offended. I moved from the north to the south and back and all my family are northern so I am even a bit of a northern monkey myself.

There are many Victorian terraces like the ones the OP describes that pretty much were built as slum dwellings.

This exactly. They were local manufacturing workers homes. Originally had 2 bedrooms, no bathrooms and 2 rooms downstairs and stairs. Outside loo. No running water or bathroom inside. That’s it. Low ceilings, small rooms. They were thrown up quickly and not very well just as spaces to eat and sleep with no frills or unnecessary flourishes. I know there are some cities with lovely terraces, but not here. When I researched the house we’re in now in the last census release, it had 8 people it. And it is tiny. I also researched the house her Great Gran lived in, it was literally a slum dwelling, it was cleared in slum clearances. It’s not snobbery, they actually were slum dwellings, and she tells us anything slightly better or as good as that is okay.

What on earth has it got to do with her? Maybe suggest that you move into her nice big house, and she can have the Victorian terrace?

I like this suggestion. But will probably do this:

It's none of their business, stop telling them. maybe invite them to a house warming

OP posts:
Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe · 11/12/2018 10:04

OP you have a mother like mine...little mum syndrome I call it! She knows what she knows and is not interested in anything at all outside her own comfort zone.The world moves on and she will not embrace change or move on too...its bloody hard work.I tell her what she needs to know/what I want her to know and nothing more it keeps all of us happy....

WomanWithAltitude · 11/12/2018 16:52

The thing that makes this so weird is this isn't about her wanting you to stick to what she knows. She lives in a big house, and has done most of her life.

No, this is about her not wanting you to move out of the box she's put you in. She wants to keep you in your place.

Definitely ignore. Unless someone has something positive to contribute, don't give them any info at all.

Footle · 11/12/2018 17:02

As someone else suggested, maybe there's less money than there was.

WomanWithAltitude · 11/12/2018 17:05

If that were the case the OP's mum should have an adult conversation with her daughter to that effect.

And if the house is being bought outright, a shortfall would mean getting a small mortgage, not buying an inappropriate house, so that explanation makes no sense.

RandomMess · 11/12/2018 17:35

Is your Mum subconsciously trying to put you and DB into differing roles in life?

Him successful nice home down south, you "poor DD" all she can afford is y...

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HeathRobinson · 11/12/2018 17:43

Is there a solicitor dealing with the will? If so, I'd probably contact them and see what's what.

IHopeThisIsAGoodIdea · 11/12/2018 17:50

Send her pics of whatever terrace dump with a garden toilet and without a garden Confused (if such a home exists) that you can find on zoopla, tell her it's your dream home, and ask when you'll be getting your cheque or transfer or whatev.

Tinkobell · 11/12/2018 18:42

Err.....any reason why the money's not in your account OP?

fc301 · 11/12/2018 19:22

I was going to say she is either controlling or jealous. Then BINGO surprise surprise she's an executor.
She is abusing her position to attempt to control how you use the money ... and she's probably jealous too!

EmpressJewel · 11/12/2018 21:02

I don’t think your mum is jealous. I think she thinks you don’t deserve your inheritance because you haven’t ‘earned’ it.

Your parents would have worked really hard to get where they are now and so think they have earned what they have now. Their first property may have been grim, with hand me down furniture whilst eating cold baked beans because they had no money.

Your mum sees you getting an inheritance and thinks you should be buying that grim property because you have to work your way up the property ladder like they did.

As baby boomers with free education, cheap housing and good pensions, they have no understanding that future generations won’t get any of that.

I agree with other posters, don’t involve her in your purchase.

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