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AIBU upset with my Mum re these comments about housing?

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Augusta2012 · 10/12/2018 19:38

I currently rent and have been lucky enough to inherit some money and am soon going to be able to buy my own home. My current home is a terrace in a northern city, everybody uses their back doors here, which means the middle terraces like us have to allow our neighbours plus all their visitors and delivery men etc access through our garden and we can’t lock the garden gate which opens out onto a busy road. It also has two “sheds” which are actually the huts for the disused toilets of the houses either side of us but our in our garden even though they are their sheds. It’s far too dangerous for our kids to play out there unsupervised and their garden toys are forever being nicked. There is one bathroom between 5 of us and the toilet is in there which causes issues. It has three bedrooms, but all the terraces around here have the loft converted into the third bedroom, so we have very, very little storage space. We have a kitchen and living room downstairs, but our living room is tiny and very cramped when we’re all in there, the kids have very little space to play with their toys. There is no hall and the external doors open directly into the rooms. We’re not amazingly well off people and have to be careful with money usually.

My parents live in London in a very nice 4 bedroom house with two large receptions, kitchen, 2 bathrooms, study and a conservatory and a large garden. They bought this for peanuts in the 80s and both retired in their 50s. Which is lovely because they come from working class northern families and my Dad grew up in a council flat and my Mum in a traditional terrace where she lived with her grandparents and parents.

For some reason, my Mum seems to have become really fixated on the idea that when we buy we should buy a terrace like the one we have even though it is really unsuitable for what we need.

This first came up when I mentioned our new house would need a second toilet downstairs for when the bathroom is in use and because a disabled family member who visits can’t manage stairs and hasn’t been able to visit recently because of it. It would be impossible to do that in a terrace around here. My Mum instantly got a right bee in her bonnet about it and started insisting that the solution was to buy a terrace with an outdoor toilet “shed” and get it back into working order. So we can send our kids in the dark, through a garden which is publicly accessible to strangers and anybody who cares to walk in, in any weather, with no heating and accessible to any small animals strata or wildlife that would like to make their home there. Apparently she had an outside loo in the 1950s and once we went to stay at a caravan for ten days which had an outside loo in the south of France, not fucking Yorkshire so that means it must be okay. Tried to argue back, not least because I think social services would frown on that arrangement, but she just wasn’t having it and insisted it was the perfect solution.

A few months later, the subject came up again because I mentioned how much I was looking forward to getting a garden we could make use of. She immediately said we didn’t need a garden. The house she grew up in in the 50s had no garden and it never did her any harm. So I pointed out it was the 50s, far fewer cars and kids played out in the cobbled streets, it was much safer and they lived in a community where everybody knew everybody else and most mothers were housewives so could take their kids out to the park any time they wanted to. It was common in those days pre Moors murders for fairly young children to walk from the city to the countryside on their own. But she was adamant we don’t need a garden.

She’s also adamant that we don’t need any more room because in the 50s they had a similar amount of room and it never bothered them.

So it all came to a head today because we have found a semi we like and she is dead set against it. I send her some pictures, and she responded with a picture of what she thought we should get instead, it’s smaller than what we already have, it’s an end of terrace, no room to expand. What used to be the kitchen has been converted into a downstairs shower room, and a tiny kitchenette has been installed in one of the reception rooms. It’s overpriced and a bit of a dump, maybe had a lick of paint, but clearly a buy to let where the landlord has just put the cheapest option in to make it habitable so it looks a bit institutionally and grim. Very small overgrown yard which has access through it. Overpriced too.

I told her I hated it and would never buy it. She emailed me back and said it was perfectly suitable because her Great Grandmother had lived in one just like that. In the Victorian era. In a great deal of poverty.

So I’ve finally pulled her up on it and said how hurtful it is that she keeps justifying telling us that we should live like others did when they were really poor and in a great deal of poverty. It’s like she doesn’t see us as worthy of anything nice and just thinks we should move into any old shithole because it’s all we deserve. I would imagine most parents would want to encourage their children out of a situation where they had to use an outside loo, were overcrowded and had no space for their children to play. I can’t understand why she is so desperate to push us into that situation. My brother, who she has always favoured, has a smaller family than me but a very large house in London. She never told him he shouldn’t bother with a garden or have an outside karsey or was buying somewhere too big because some Victorian relative who was one step up from the workhouse had made do fine with a tiny house.

I asked he to stop saying these things to me and told her it hurt me because she’s making us feel beneath her and less worthy than the rest of them and just that she sees us as undeserving and believes we should accept living a life in poverty. She has all the things she’s told us we don’t need, and has never in her adult life lived in the sort of place she wants us to live in.

She’s adamant she has done absolutely nothing wrong and wants me to apologise for being upset about it.

So AIBU, or is she?

OP posts:
DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 10/12/2018 20:32

It's weird how people can get really over-invested in you staying in your little box, isn't it? Lie you have always been in a box labelled "Can Only Afford A Terrace" and anything else is just Not For The Likes Of You.

My parents do this, I just ignore them. Nod and smile until you get the money, then do what you want.

Therighthonourable · 10/12/2018 20:35

As a Northerner I am Hmm at the person who is Hmm the term "Weird northern monkeys". Get a grip! and a sense of humour. Stop being professionally offended.

Micah · 10/12/2018 20:36

Send her lots and lots of picture of real shitholes. Outside toilets, no central heating, concrete square “garden”.

Totally play the martyr. Either it’ll work via reverse psychology and she’ll be all “oh no, that’s awful”, or she’ll be so happy she’ll give you your money.

AnoukSpirit · 10/12/2018 20:36

I left school at 16 largely due to a poor relationship with her.

If this kind of behaviour isn't really new that does tend to suggest she understands the impact it has on you but is continuing regardless because she likes the feeling of having power over you. Being able to hurt you and mess with your head and your decision making is a form of power.

In which case you won't get anywhere by trying to reason with her. She's making a deliberate choice.

Unicornandbows · 10/12/2018 20:37

I'd say to her if you like it that much why don't you have the terrace house and we will move into your home seen as you think it's so great and don't want a garden or any space and don't need two toilets.

Think she will come down a peg or two

emzw12 · 10/12/2018 20:37

You’re an adult - buy what you want! Sod anyone else!
Other people’s opinions don’t count when it comes to your personal happiness.

MissyCooper · 10/12/2018 20:37

Thank god you’re here to speak for all the northerners.

WakeUpFromYourDreamAndScream · 10/12/2018 20:37

I'm a 'weird northern monkey' too OP, but at least I don't have to go outside for a piss like you do.

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 10/12/2018 20:37

I may be wrong and haven't checked but if she is some sort of executor isn't that a legal duty to carry it out within a reasonable time scale and as per the deceased wishes? So unless there is something to say the deceased left you money only to be used on a terraced house with 2 bedrooms and one toilet, then I thought legally she can't hang on to the money longer than necessary.

If it was me I'd probably just say 'apologies if I snapped at you, moving house can be stressful' and just leave it at that. Then when she sends you links to houses just say thanks and leave it as that. Engage as little as possible. Don't try and persuade her to change her mind, don't argue, don't offer an opinion. I know you haven't done anything wrong but she is clearly got some weird thing about this (and a lot of things, if she openly favours your brother) and arguing or giving her examples of why this doesn't wrk for you is only going to ffrustrate you and will be poitlemss. Maybe she is looking through rose tinted glasses of nostalgia and had an amazing childhood but it's odd she is trying to impose her views on you

yesmelord · 10/12/2018 20:39

My mums like this too OP, not with my brother or sister, just me.

It's like she wants me to live through the struggles she had to go through to get where she is, like you I used to try update her all the time and get her to be involved in my life but she would just criticise.

Someone on here gave me some good advice that I needed to stop trying to get her involved and just keep her at arms distance- so not go NC, but just keep back-

My mum contacts ME once a week now. And I go to visit her house once a week and that's more than enough. I sometimes see her previous picky and mean behaviour coming back through but then I push her back again and you can tell she kind of understands then what she's done.

I don't know why some mums are like this? Jealousy possibly? Resentment? I don't know. It's a shame because I see and hear of so many kind mums on here that bond with their daughters and are happy for them and offer support.... all I can do and you can do is be a better mum to our own kids. You can't really change anyone, just keep them at bay to stop them affecting you.

reallyanotherone · 10/12/2018 20:39

My mum is wierdly convinced my brothers house on a 70’s northern suburban estate is much nicer, and worth far more than mine. Ok it’s detached 4 bed, they’ve had an extension, and mine is only a 3 bed end of terrace.

Mine is in fucking zone 2 london 5 minutes walk from a tube station.

There’s is worth about 350k, mine nearer 1m.

Juells · 10/12/2018 20:42

Lie. Send her pictures of a horrid squalid shack and tell her you're waiting to put an offer in.

My MiL was a little bit like this, she'd get offended when we got anything nice. "Hmph!. We didn't have a car until we were in our forties, I don't see why you think you need two. It's ridiculous."

TBH she sounds a bit unbalanced. Humour her until you have the money.

Tjzmummabear · 10/12/2018 20:44

As a Proud Westmerian, I find the Northern comments equally offensive.

OP she's the executor and she has rules to follow. As executor she must also one would assume be inheriting too?

CharlesChickens · 10/12/2018 20:45

I think your Mum is feeling nostalgic and missing the close community she grew up in, so is pushing a similar experience onto you. Maybe if you talk to her about her early life and what she misses she might be able to see that ?

diddl · 10/12/2018 20:49

Surely she should just be releasing the money to the appropriate person when you buy a house?

She might have an opinion but surely no say in what you buy?

In fact is it even specified that your money be for a house?

Should she just be making sure that you get what you are due?

Verbena37 · 10/12/2018 20:50

I was also having alarm bells about dementia when I read how nostalgic she is being. It would explain why she’s refusing to take no for an answer and being so forthright perhaps.

Seems strange if your relationship has been usually fine in the past. Have you spoken to your dad about it?

SalmonLeBon · 10/12/2018 20:52

All the professionally offended are out in force then without their sense of humour.

It is perfectly clear that the OP's use of 'weird northern monkeys' was mocking herself for her stereotyped view of the north and not using the front door when she first moved there. Once she realised the practicalities in this style of house, she has adopted the same practice and doesn't consider it weird.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 10/12/2018 20:52

Do one of those 'nothing' apologies, "I'm sorry that you feel upset", be bland about everything she says "We'll bear that in mind" and don't do anything until you have the money in your account as I wouldn't put it past her to mysteriously delay the money if she knows you have a deadline.

Littlemissdaredevil · 10/12/2018 20:55

If she brings house buying up again I would just say you are waiting for to receive the money before looking. Then do not mention anything to her until after you have moved. If she brings the topic up distract her with I’m busy with work/kids/Christmas/watching paint dry. If she emails you properties do not respond. The role of an educator is to carry out the instructions in the will in a timely fashion not to decide what the beneficiary’s spend the money on unless it says you must buy an unsuitable house!

AcrossthePond55 · 10/12/2018 21:04

Sit tight and keep quiet until the money's released. No more pics, no more discussion about what to buy.

Just out of curiosity, does the will specify a specific amount or simply 'estate to be divided equally amongst my heirs'? Because it may very well be that you'll be receiving less than you think you are and your mum simply doesn't want to tell you. I think I'd start asking questions about amounts and expected timetable, if I were you.

Isitweekendyet · 10/12/2018 21:16

From a born and raised northerner, it's obvious Weird Northern Monkey is lighthearted.

'Northern Monkey' is an established turn of phrase, in the same par as 'Southern Fairy'.

As a Northerner I find it equally as weird using a back door as a main form of entry as the OP did.

Everyone chill out at taking everything so offensively.

OP, I agree with others. Untie the money on the premise of putting it in savings and then move where the hell you like without her input, failing that hire a solicitor.

Ngaio2 · 10/12/2018 21:16

OP probate been granted for the will yet? If so you can apply for a copy of the will online for a very modest fee.

1forAll74 · 10/12/2018 21:34

I don't truly understand why your Mother is taking this stance with you, surely you can do what you wish with the money now. Its obviously not normal for her to be thinking this way about your plans, your life etc.

Perhaps your Mother should swap houses with you,as she extolls the joys of tiny old terrace houses !!

My house sounds a lot like yours, and it's a bit grim, but I have no chance of moving at all.. but wish you well for the future,in a house of Your choosing..

reenchantmentofeverydaylife · 10/12/2018 21:39

She doesn't trust you, a grown woman with her own family now, just like I bet she felt her parents didn't trust her and she had to prove herself constantly to them, in (perhaps) subtle but 'driven' attempts to be truly loved and accepted. Sadly, although she did the whole first to go to uni (and a female at that!) and ended up in 'that London' with a posh house and a successful son (whom she never criticizes) it obviously didn't fundamentally make her feel complete, like she (probably unconsciously) hoped it would. And so she sees you as an extension of herself, which is painful for you because she'll never truly accept you in your own right either, no matter what you do. And that won't change, which is a horrid bind to be in with your mother but it happens a fair bit. She's very fucking mixed up. I had the same irreconcilable conflict with my father, expressed in different details to your situation, but fundamentally the same dynamic. I wish I'd known to ask him challenging questions point blank like "Why don't you trust me?" or "Why are you so threatened by me being the authority in my own adult life?" You've learned not to challenge her because she uses emotional blackmail ("Apologise, you've upset your poor mother, how could you, I was only being helpful...") No, she was being manipulative and coercive, but you'll never make her accept that hard fact, I'm afraid. Again, at a deep level very hurtful for you, but you must face and accept that sad reality and carry on regardless, investing in your own family instead and letting go of the need for her to be the mother you needed instead of the one you got.

And then get your dream home (mark 1), move you and your family in, do with it what you truly want to, and enjoy it and let it be a love nest for the people who should matter most to you because they actually love and support you and want to be with you, not some other version of you shaped and animated by your perpetually disappointed mother. And let her know that when you decide it's appropriate she'll be invited to visit, but it'll be your home and your rules and if she doesn't like it she can adopt some poor orphaned woman who wants to live in a des res shithole and be pushed around by her emotionally challenged 'mother'!!

bunnyup · 10/12/2018 21:40

What a tiresome twat

Yep

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