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AIBU upset with my Mum re these comments about housing?

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Augusta2012 · 10/12/2018 19:38

I currently rent and have been lucky enough to inherit some money and am soon going to be able to buy my own home. My current home is a terrace in a northern city, everybody uses their back doors here, which means the middle terraces like us have to allow our neighbours plus all their visitors and delivery men etc access through our garden and we can’t lock the garden gate which opens out onto a busy road. It also has two “sheds” which are actually the huts for the disused toilets of the houses either side of us but our in our garden even though they are their sheds. It’s far too dangerous for our kids to play out there unsupervised and their garden toys are forever being nicked. There is one bathroom between 5 of us and the toilet is in there which causes issues. It has three bedrooms, but all the terraces around here have the loft converted into the third bedroom, so we have very, very little storage space. We have a kitchen and living room downstairs, but our living room is tiny and very cramped when we’re all in there, the kids have very little space to play with their toys. There is no hall and the external doors open directly into the rooms. We’re not amazingly well off people and have to be careful with money usually.

My parents live in London in a very nice 4 bedroom house with two large receptions, kitchen, 2 bathrooms, study and a conservatory and a large garden. They bought this for peanuts in the 80s and both retired in their 50s. Which is lovely because they come from working class northern families and my Dad grew up in a council flat and my Mum in a traditional terrace where she lived with her grandparents and parents.

For some reason, my Mum seems to have become really fixated on the idea that when we buy we should buy a terrace like the one we have even though it is really unsuitable for what we need.

This first came up when I mentioned our new house would need a second toilet downstairs for when the bathroom is in use and because a disabled family member who visits can’t manage stairs and hasn’t been able to visit recently because of it. It would be impossible to do that in a terrace around here. My Mum instantly got a right bee in her bonnet about it and started insisting that the solution was to buy a terrace with an outdoor toilet “shed” and get it back into working order. So we can send our kids in the dark, through a garden which is publicly accessible to strangers and anybody who cares to walk in, in any weather, with no heating and accessible to any small animals strata or wildlife that would like to make their home there. Apparently she had an outside loo in the 1950s and once we went to stay at a caravan for ten days which had an outside loo in the south of France, not fucking Yorkshire so that means it must be okay. Tried to argue back, not least because I think social services would frown on that arrangement, but she just wasn’t having it and insisted it was the perfect solution.

A few months later, the subject came up again because I mentioned how much I was looking forward to getting a garden we could make use of. She immediately said we didn’t need a garden. The house she grew up in in the 50s had no garden and it never did her any harm. So I pointed out it was the 50s, far fewer cars and kids played out in the cobbled streets, it was much safer and they lived in a community where everybody knew everybody else and most mothers were housewives so could take their kids out to the park any time they wanted to. It was common in those days pre Moors murders for fairly young children to walk from the city to the countryside on their own. But she was adamant we don’t need a garden.

She’s also adamant that we don’t need any more room because in the 50s they had a similar amount of room and it never bothered them.

So it all came to a head today because we have found a semi we like and she is dead set against it. I send her some pictures, and she responded with a picture of what she thought we should get instead, it’s smaller than what we already have, it’s an end of terrace, no room to expand. What used to be the kitchen has been converted into a downstairs shower room, and a tiny kitchenette has been installed in one of the reception rooms. It’s overpriced and a bit of a dump, maybe had a lick of paint, but clearly a buy to let where the landlord has just put the cheapest option in to make it habitable so it looks a bit institutionally and grim. Very small overgrown yard which has access through it. Overpriced too.

I told her I hated it and would never buy it. She emailed me back and said it was perfectly suitable because her Great Grandmother had lived in one just like that. In the Victorian era. In a great deal of poverty.

So I’ve finally pulled her up on it and said how hurtful it is that she keeps justifying telling us that we should live like others did when they were really poor and in a great deal of poverty. It’s like she doesn’t see us as worthy of anything nice and just thinks we should move into any old shithole because it’s all we deserve. I would imagine most parents would want to encourage their children out of a situation where they had to use an outside loo, were overcrowded and had no space for their children to play. I can’t understand why she is so desperate to push us into that situation. My brother, who she has always favoured, has a smaller family than me but a very large house in London. She never told him he shouldn’t bother with a garden or have an outside karsey or was buying somewhere too big because some Victorian relative who was one step up from the workhouse had made do fine with a tiny house.

I asked he to stop saying these things to me and told her it hurt me because she’s making us feel beneath her and less worthy than the rest of them and just that she sees us as undeserving and believes we should accept living a life in poverty. She has all the things she’s told us we don’t need, and has never in her adult life lived in the sort of place she wants us to live in.

She’s adamant she has done absolutely nothing wrong and wants me to apologise for being upset about it.

So AIBU, or is she?

OP posts:
CoolCarrie · 10/12/2018 21:44

My mother is like this, when our son was born dh & I lived in a tiny one small bedroom flat, which was ok when ds was a baby, but we needed more room when he started to walk. We got a sofa bed to give him his own room, but that wasn’t great, so eventually rented a 2 bed with a box room so dh could have a small study as he was a student. She was flaming angry “ everyone else in the family managed with small flats and houses with children why can’t you” was her priceless comment.
I tell her very little about my life now and I suggest you do the same OP!

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 10/12/2018 22:07

She sounds well pissed off that you've been left the money...

GabsAlot · 10/12/2018 22:23

sounds like this isnt just a house she doesnt like u have your own life-she wants to control and shes using her position as executor over you

anniehm · 10/12/2018 22:25

Ignore her, I suspect it's a little bit that she doesn't want you to take on too much debt. When you get the money buy the right house for you. Very odd though, usually these posts are about parents thinking their kids should be in a better house!

Singlenotsingle · 10/12/2018 22:31

What on earth has it got to do with her? Maybe suggest that you move into her nice big house, and she can have the Victorian terrace?
Otherwise, just don't say anything more to her until the house is bought, and you've moved in!

llangennith · 10/12/2018 22:48

Don't discuss any further plans with her until the inheritance is actually in your bank account. She's jealous that you are being given money to help you buy a house when she had to save up for herself.

Brighton2 · 10/12/2018 22:54

I find this whole strangers in your garden and neighbours and delivery men thing really weird and not normal. Do you mean you have communal gardens?

Just stop telling you’re mum what you’re doing. You’re lucky she doesn’t live nearby, so she can’t interfere more.

Just don’t tell or show her anything until you’ve signed contracts on the house YOU want.

Charmlight · 10/12/2018 23:00

Brighton2 If you live in a row of joined up houses with no ginnels, then you need to go through other people’s back yards to access your back door/yard.
Sometimes there is a path that runs across the backs of the properties and then you would just go through a gate directly into your own back yard.

oiiiiiii · 10/12/2018 23:15

I'm very confused as to why you're sending house pics and clearly seeking approval from a woman who you left home at 16 to escape?

She's awful, why are you so enmeshed with her that you want her to like your house purchase choices? Not only is she apparently generally awful - she's even been specifically awful about house stuff, more than once.

You seem to be asking her to do something (be supportive, approve of you) that she's clearly shown you she can't do. Could you possibly stop doing that and see how it goes? Just smile, nod, move on and don't continuously try to get her on your side... It's clearly not working. Share discussions and excitement for dh/proven friends.

Mummylife2018 · 10/12/2018 23:28

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katekat383 · 11/12/2018 00:17

That OP has got to be the loooooooongest ever.

seventhgonickname · 11/12/2018 00:18

I would also be suspicious about what exactly is happening to your inheritance since she is channelling you to smaller and smaller houses.
Don't engage with her about house buying,bide your time and find out what is happening about your money because I smell a rat.

katekat383 · 11/12/2018 00:20

No way man?! Do you really talk like that?

katekat383 · 11/12/2018 00:21

Is this a reverse?

WomanWithAltitude · 11/12/2018 06:05

There are many Victorian terraces like the ones the OP describes that pretty much were built as slum dwellings. She's clearly not talking about large naice terraces in posh areas with beautiful period features etc. Those don't tend to be two up/two downs with an outside toilet, do they?

And I think it was clear that her northern monkey comment was a joke (I live up north, not offended by it).

OP - I agree with others. Stop involving your mum, and if she asks just be noncommittal about it. She is legally bound to give you the money, after which you can buy the home that works for you.

AJPTaylor · 11/12/2018 06:10

She is bonkers.
Ask her for your money.
Do not discuss the House again. Enjoy looking and choosing.

Baking101 · 11/12/2018 06:24

She sounds stupid. She doesn't 'need' her 4 bedroom house in London either with 2 bathrooms either for just two people. Why doesn't she live in a one bedroom house? I would just be winding her up constantly about what she lives in considering she thinks everyone should live how she used to live. You're gonna get the money anyway, may as well have fun and piss her off in the process. Why doesn't she have an outdoor toilet in London?

tillytrotter1 · 11/12/2018 06:36

stop engaging

What's the obsession people have with discussing everything with everybody, especially when they know it'll lead to problems? I don't think we ever discussed what we were buying, when our daughter was buyung they invited us to do a couple of viewings with them to get another perspective but I wouldn't dream of raining on their parade!

It's none of their business, stop telling them. maybe invite them to a house warming,

The house they bought 'for peanuts' in the 80s only seems such by today's prices, probably a lot then!

WomanWithAltitude · 11/12/2018 06:42

The house they bought 'for peanuts' in the 80s only seems such by today's prices, probably a lot then!

It's unlikely to have cost c. 8 to 10 times the median income, is it? It may have seemed a lot, but house price inflation has rocketed compared to earnings growth and you can't really say it was similarly unaffordable back then.

I know that it didn't seem cheap back then, but there is no doubting the numbers.

reenchantmentofeverydaylife · 11/12/2018 07:02

Well said womanwithaltitude

UnleashTheBulsara · 11/12/2018 07:14

I think if I were you, I would ensure that your inheritance is as you're expecting. If your mum is dragging her heels about getting it sorted and therefore on its way to you, seek legal advice. I don't think your mum should be allowed to hold it back until she can be sure you will do what she wants with it.

Equally, you do need to stop engaging with her on this (and probably other personal matters). As plenty pps have said, she cannot be the supportive parent that you want her to be, so just stop expecting that and pull back from her. Don't tell her what your plans are, don't seek her opinions. You will be far happier in your life without this ball and chain. Remember why you left home in the first place. Tell yourself you deserve better than this.

She is a drain on your well of happiness

Eliza9917 · 11/12/2018 07:26

She’s the executrix which makes it harder. I think she’s trying to hold off releasing the money until she’s browbeaten us into getting what she wants. Gah!

Tell her you are getting a shithole, get the money then buy what you want.

She sounds deranged tbh.

swingofthings · 11/12/2018 07:39

When you say buying your own house, do you meant out right or being able to get a deposit with the inheritance?

Could it be that she's concerned that you won't be able to afford the house you want?

AngelinaNeurosurgeon · 11/12/2018 07:44

As the executor she has no right to hold onto the money until you have found a house to spend it on. Funds should be released to all the beneficiaries once the affairs of the estate have all been settled so I am not sure why she is using this as leverage against you. Unless she is trustee of a trust fund and managing the money on your behalf, and the trust requires you to be a certain age to have the funds, or for the funds to be able shed for specific purposes like buying property?

AngelinaNeurosurgeon · 11/12/2018 07:45

Able shed? That should have said released