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AIBU upset with my Mum re these comments about housing?

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Augusta2012 · 10/12/2018 19:38

I currently rent and have been lucky enough to inherit some money and am soon going to be able to buy my own home. My current home is a terrace in a northern city, everybody uses their back doors here, which means the middle terraces like us have to allow our neighbours plus all their visitors and delivery men etc access through our garden and we can’t lock the garden gate which opens out onto a busy road. It also has two “sheds” which are actually the huts for the disused toilets of the houses either side of us but our in our garden even though they are their sheds. It’s far too dangerous for our kids to play out there unsupervised and their garden toys are forever being nicked. There is one bathroom between 5 of us and the toilet is in there which causes issues. It has three bedrooms, but all the terraces around here have the loft converted into the third bedroom, so we have very, very little storage space. We have a kitchen and living room downstairs, but our living room is tiny and very cramped when we’re all in there, the kids have very little space to play with their toys. There is no hall and the external doors open directly into the rooms. We’re not amazingly well off people and have to be careful with money usually.

My parents live in London in a very nice 4 bedroom house with two large receptions, kitchen, 2 bathrooms, study and a conservatory and a large garden. They bought this for peanuts in the 80s and both retired in their 50s. Which is lovely because they come from working class northern families and my Dad grew up in a council flat and my Mum in a traditional terrace where she lived with her grandparents and parents.

For some reason, my Mum seems to have become really fixated on the idea that when we buy we should buy a terrace like the one we have even though it is really unsuitable for what we need.

This first came up when I mentioned our new house would need a second toilet downstairs for when the bathroom is in use and because a disabled family member who visits can’t manage stairs and hasn’t been able to visit recently because of it. It would be impossible to do that in a terrace around here. My Mum instantly got a right bee in her bonnet about it and started insisting that the solution was to buy a terrace with an outdoor toilet “shed” and get it back into working order. So we can send our kids in the dark, through a garden which is publicly accessible to strangers and anybody who cares to walk in, in any weather, with no heating and accessible to any small animals strata or wildlife that would like to make their home there. Apparently she had an outside loo in the 1950s and once we went to stay at a caravan for ten days which had an outside loo in the south of France, not fucking Yorkshire so that means it must be okay. Tried to argue back, not least because I think social services would frown on that arrangement, but she just wasn’t having it and insisted it was the perfect solution.

A few months later, the subject came up again because I mentioned how much I was looking forward to getting a garden we could make use of. She immediately said we didn’t need a garden. The house she grew up in in the 50s had no garden and it never did her any harm. So I pointed out it was the 50s, far fewer cars and kids played out in the cobbled streets, it was much safer and they lived in a community where everybody knew everybody else and most mothers were housewives so could take their kids out to the park any time they wanted to. It was common in those days pre Moors murders for fairly young children to walk from the city to the countryside on their own. But she was adamant we don’t need a garden.

She’s also adamant that we don’t need any more room because in the 50s they had a similar amount of room and it never bothered them.

So it all came to a head today because we have found a semi we like and she is dead set against it. I send her some pictures, and she responded with a picture of what she thought we should get instead, it’s smaller than what we already have, it’s an end of terrace, no room to expand. What used to be the kitchen has been converted into a downstairs shower room, and a tiny kitchenette has been installed in one of the reception rooms. It’s overpriced and a bit of a dump, maybe had a lick of paint, but clearly a buy to let where the landlord has just put the cheapest option in to make it habitable so it looks a bit institutionally and grim. Very small overgrown yard which has access through it. Overpriced too.

I told her I hated it and would never buy it. She emailed me back and said it was perfectly suitable because her Great Grandmother had lived in one just like that. In the Victorian era. In a great deal of poverty.

So I’ve finally pulled her up on it and said how hurtful it is that she keeps justifying telling us that we should live like others did when they were really poor and in a great deal of poverty. It’s like she doesn’t see us as worthy of anything nice and just thinks we should move into any old shithole because it’s all we deserve. I would imagine most parents would want to encourage their children out of a situation where they had to use an outside loo, were overcrowded and had no space for their children to play. I can’t understand why she is so desperate to push us into that situation. My brother, who she has always favoured, has a smaller family than me but a very large house in London. She never told him he shouldn’t bother with a garden or have an outside karsey or was buying somewhere too big because some Victorian relative who was one step up from the workhouse had made do fine with a tiny house.

I asked he to stop saying these things to me and told her it hurt me because she’s making us feel beneath her and less worthy than the rest of them and just that she sees us as undeserving and believes we should accept living a life in poverty. She has all the things she’s told us we don’t need, and has never in her adult life lived in the sort of place she wants us to live in.

She’s adamant she has done absolutely nothing wrong and wants me to apologise for being upset about it.

So AIBU, or is she?

OP posts:
FreshEyre · 10/12/2018 20:03

I would contact the solicitor just to ensure that there isn't anything that might slow down the release of the money.

If she asks what you've decided I would say 'We're going to put the money away safely until we find the right house for us.' Don't enter into any further discussion, just play the 'broken record' game and keep repeating the same sentence.

Once the money has been released you can do whatever you want with it.

Tyke2 · 10/12/2018 20:08

They also had ringworm and rickets in the 50's, ask if she would like you to have these also??

cabingirl · 10/12/2018 20:12

Do you know exactly how much money is coming to you? Have you seen official documents or a conversation with the solicitor directly - not through your mother?

It sounds like she's trying to get you to spend less money on the house - does she know something about your inheritance that you don't?

Otherwise just avoid any discussions about it - or politely accept her suggestions as 'possibles' then out of sight put them straight in the bin. When it comes time to buy - make your choice without letting her know until you have completed and exchanged. Your brother probably just didn't discuss it with her, or didn't listen or even notice her opinion.

M4J4 · 10/12/2018 20:12

What a bitch. Do you have a solicitor?

Ellie56 · 10/12/2018 20:12

She is being very U but you know that really.As others have said just stop engaging with her. Your new house is your decision, not hers.

OverTheHedgeSammy · 10/12/2018 20:12

Stop looking at houses and discussing houses with her until the money is in your account. She will do everything she can to scupper it. For some reason she is upset that you have the money and are able to buy a better house. Who knows why. It is odd. Even odder given that if she bought her house over 30 years ago you were likely a child or not even born at that point, so you grew up in a nice house. So why was it good enough for her and not you. Maybe she likes to feel better than you, maybe she doesn't think you deserve it, or maybe she thought she was going to inherit all the money, and is resentful that you are getting all/some of it.

Ellie56 · 10/12/2018 20:13

Tell her to sell her big house and move back into a terrace up North if pissing in an outhouse is such marvellous fun. Grin Grin

eggsandwich · 10/12/2018 20:13

Your are volunteering way too much information, I would of thought after the first couple of comments you would of wised up, she is obviously worried they you will end up with a better home than her and it pains her to think that.

Take a step back and be selective about what you tell her.

gamerchick · 10/12/2018 20:17

It sounds like we have the same mother OP Grin mine once told me that if she come into money she would buy me a house, a house and area of her choosing though. I'm hoping it doesn't happen.

If she asks what you've decided I would say 'We're going to put the money away safely until we find the right house for us.' Don't enter into any further discussion, just play the 'broken record' game and keep repeating the same sentence.

This ^^ I tell my mother fuck all unless I absolutely have too. No good comes of it.

Winlinbin · 10/12/2018 20:18

I agree you need to stop engaging on this. You aren’t going to change her behaviour so the only way to stop this pattern recurring is to change your own behaviour.

Go ahead, do what is right for you. If she asks fob her off with ‘we are still thinking things over’ or what Fresheyre suggested. When you eventually have the money and it’s a done deal send her a change of address card.

I am actually feeling excited for you. It sounds like your new home is going to be lovely for you and your family. Don’t let your mum spoil this exciting time for you.

Augusta2012 · 10/12/2018 20:18

I’m not gonna pretend I understand the whole letting everyone use your gate etc because I don’t 🤣 waaay too confusing. Yes she IBU. But if your Mum is in London and you are up north then why do you need to send her pictures of the houses you like?? Do you value her opinion that much? It doesn’t sound like you do (or should). Only you know what your family needs so just go ahead and buy a house and then let her know when you have moved! Tbh I think she is possibly jealous that she didn’t have the same opportunity as you or I am possibly reading this all wrong?

No she definitely had more opportunity than me. Was an adored child with a very happy childhood who was the first in her family to go to uni.

I left school at 16 largely due to a poor relationship with her.

The back gate thing, I moved here from London and we were like ‘no way man, we’re going to use our front door like normal people and not you weird northern monkeys’. We never did use our front door, it’s not very nice because it opens straight into a small living room, meaning you have to keep that space clear, gets everyone in their cold, plus if you’re scratching your arse or you’re sitting in a dressing gown with a face pack on and your rollers in, every fucker outside will see you.

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RandomMess · 10/12/2018 20:20

Surely you will be putting into a house buying ISA initially anyway?

Just stop discussing it with her and wait until the money is there in your account before you start mentally spending it.

I wonder if you will be getting less than she initially told you?

Iknowthatguy · 10/12/2018 20:20

weird northern monkeys
Hmm

Tinkobell · 10/12/2018 20:22

Your mum seems to hark back to the bad old days. You might want to remind her that life expectancy, chronic health conditions can be closely linked to the quality of your house - having decent heating and access to sanitation as well as just general "feel good factor". Does she wish you and your family well....or does she wish you a tough old time? Just tell her to wind her neck in .......stop sharing any more info and get a gorgeous palace to be proud of!!!!!!!

longwayoff · 10/12/2018 20:26

If she likes it that much why doesnt she swap hones with you,? As if! You wont see her for dust.

loubluee · 10/12/2018 20:27

She’s being a complete bitch to you (sorry I’m not in a great mood this evening). Do
You think she will make it difficult for you to buy?

Iloveacurry · 10/12/2018 20:27

Don’t apologise. She’s the one who should be. And don’t discuss with her. It’s really got nothing to do with her.

kaitlinktm · 10/12/2018 20:28

I was feeling sympathetic until the weird northern monkeys - but I lost interest a bit after that. Hmm

simplepimple · 10/12/2018 20:29

Strange how mothers can treat their children completely differently OP - mine is like this too. In her view I have to live the hard life but my brother is free to live how he wants - mainly that's being irresponsible with her picking up the pieces for him financially and emotionally.

The only way I can deal with this is to let go of my need for us to be treated fairly as this is unlikely to happen. I can choose not to keep trying to gain her approval too. It's time to live your life as you want to - it doesn't really matter what she thinks.

MissyCooper · 10/12/2018 20:29

Outdoor shed toilets?! Do people still live like this in the UK?!

CantSleepClownsWillEatMe · 10/12/2018 20:29

I agree with pps, you need to stop discussing it with her. You're an adult, you don't need her permission or approval even if she has somehow decided her opinion on your living situation is warranted.

For what it's worth I think she's being really odd about it and I agree there seems to be a "good enough for you and yours" attitude which I imagine is very hurtful. Most parents would be happy their dc can buy their own home, that their dgc will have more security, space, a garden to play in! Don't send her any more pictures or tell her when you're viewing, you're just providing the ammunition for her to hurt you more with her begrudging comments.

Hey at least when you eventually move you won't need to invite her to visit. I mean she won't want to stay in a house she hates, will she Wink?

Didiusfalco · 10/12/2018 20:31

Given everything you’ve said I would be paying lip service until I had the cash and then fucking her off. Honestly she sounds vile and like she gets some weird kick from keeping you in ‘your place’.

MissyCooper · 10/12/2018 20:31

Do you think you’re above the weird northern monkeys with your shed toilet?

Happypie · 10/12/2018 20:31

Sounds like something is wrong with your inheritance amount and she is trying to get you to spend less because she knows you are getting less.

EdisonLightBulb · 10/12/2018 20:31

Me too, since presumably I am a weird northern monkey too.