Ian Huntley ! This is wrong...

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I just don't have words

@TheLittlestLightOnTheTree
Rather than being dismissive we need to take action to stop self ID becoming law.

Never said single sex spaces were extreme at all, implied or otherwise.

The guy that approved men in women's prisons, is himself a sex offender.

Gordon Pike. If you want to look into it.

You said rejecting transwomen with penises in changing rooms and loos for females was extreme.

Honestly, don't engage with Verbeena. They are your archetypal GF who is literally only out to shit stir. They only answer certain questions, mostly just quote others, backtrack on things and can't back up their argument at all. It's not worth getting exasperated with, they are just doing it for fun whilst not actually doing anything worth reporting.

I guess continuing to engage does continue to expose the ridiculous nature of their posting, so if people want to then crack on, but I have given up.

Co-signed. Don't waste your time and effort unless you enjoy dealing with people like this.

Yeah, already realized verbeena will not or cannot follow his/her own arguments to their logical conclusion. Sad.

Deep water - ever think why no one else engages? I said look at the threads at the beginning for this reason. You have to say exactly the same as extreme.
Eg, no transwomen ever. Not everyone says that.
Now that they was definitely deliberate.

Not everyone says no transwomen at all because always men.

I dont enjoy it. I do find it necessary to point out where specific rhetorical devices are being used to smear GC feminists as extremists because I think it’s interesting. As always, thinking of lurkers

So believing men should not be allowed in women’s changing areas/prisons/ etc makes you an “extreme radfem”? Seriously?

I said

Blah blah blah. You always say 'I said' but never ever back up your rationale.

Rationale means 'reasoning'. Sentences that can start with 'i think x because of y and z'.

Almost like you don't have a reason. If you do have one, share it.

Otherwise it is virtue signalling nonsense.

So believing men should not be allowed in women’s changing areas/prisons/ etc makes you an “extreme radfem”? Seriously?

Yes apparently the whole of rational society have been extreme radfems since the installation of female toilets, since the formation of refuges, since prisons were opened. Who knew?

I've already said what I think on not this thread but others too.
Why say it all over again sacrifice?
It'll only be blah blah you didn't say anything even if I actually do.
So...meh.

I've already said what I think on not this thread but others too

Again. You have said what you think [even though you contradict yourself but hey ho]..but not WHY you think that.

Don't contradict myself. Is it because I don't have a problem with all transwomen, including those who have completely transitioned that's the confusing bit for everyone?
Not sure if it got answered upthread, apologies if it did, but if it's penises that's the problem, why no transwomen at all even if that bit is no more?

but if it's penises that's the problem, why no transwomen at all even if that bit is no more?

It’s men. Men that are excluded. Not from much stuff, but when they are, it’s important. Men shouldn’t be locked up with women.

That is not an extreme position, surely?

Is it because I don't have a problem with all transwomen, including those who have completely transitioned that's the confusing bit for everyone?

Again, it is not about having a 'problem' with transwomen. It is about the fact that every transwomen is male.

What is 'completely transitioned'? It is impossible to change sex. if you have evidence that humans can change sex, then it is up to you to provide evidence.

What is your line between what you say is 'accepting' a transwoman and not 'accepting' a transwoman...whatever you mean by that? At what point does someone 'become' a transwoman that you 'accept'?

We have established that you do no 'accept' Huntley. So what would Huntley have to do for you to 'accept' him?

We have established that you do no 'accept' Huntley. So what would Huntley have to do for you to 'accept' him?

Verbeena, if Huntley has genital surgery would you agree he's a woman?

Nothing. Huntley doesn't deserve anything. Nothing it could ever do would be acceptable.

‘Acceptance.’

What does that actually mean here? It creates again this impression that feminists are making some kind of blanket rejection of transwomen as people.

But that’s not what the position is. The position is that men should not be in single sex female provisions.

And verbeena may I ask again what is extreme about my position? Because you implied I was an extremist.

Nothing. Huntley doesn't deserve anything. Nothing it could ever do would be acceptable.

So genital surgery doesn't automatically make a man a woman. What other criteria is necessary, in your eyes?

The Huntley case is significant.

If Huntley changes his name to that usually assocaited with females, does this make Huntley a trans woman?

If Huntley starts wearing clothes/make up/hair style or wigs associated with feminine gendered stereotypes does this make Huntley a trans woman?

If prison staff are obliged to used female pronouns for Huntley does this make Huntley a trans woman?

If Huntley starts to take medication to supress testosterone or cross sex hormones, does this make Huntley a trans woman?

If Huntley has breast implants does this make Huntley a trans woman?

If Huntley changes speech pattern / tone to mimic that associated with female natural speech does this make Huntley a trans woman?

If Huntley has facial plastic surgery intended to 'feminise' features does this make Huntley a trans woman?

If Huntley has genital plastic surgery does this make Huntley a trans woman?

Any of the trans rights activists, organisations, influential individuals, politicians, barristers, policy makers or posters here who assert that 'trans woman are women' surely have to consider the questions above, since it is neccessary to determine not which of those stages they believe make Huntley a trans woman but based on their assertion, which make Huntley a 'woman'.

humans can't change sex. Women= adult human female