Ian Huntley ! This is wrong...

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I just don't have words

The law accords the 'rights' associated with being a 'trans woman' to any male who starts / intends to 'transition'

Nothing. Huntley doesn't deserve anything. Nothing it could ever do would be acceptable.

This is why you are contradicting yourself.

Not sure if it got answered upthread, apologies if it did, but if it's penises that's the problem, why no transwomen at all even if that bit is no more?

If Huntley says he is a woman, then if TWAW is true he is now a woman.

You are now saying you don't agree with self ID. So

If Huntley has his penis removed, then by your own reckoning, he is now a woman. But you are saying this is not the case. For him nothig is acceptable.

So the question then is, who IS acceptable to you in order to be 'accepted' as a woman.

The above murderer - no.
Another random murderer?
Rapists? What about rapists where there wasn't enough evidence to convict? Less than 1% of rapists get convicted. So are the 99% given a free pass with you?
Sex offenders?
Burglars?
Council Tax Avoiders?

Where is your line?

I've already answered.
Don't agree with self ID, is all kinds of problematic.
There, I've said it again just in case you missed it last time.

If Huntley has 'meaningful transition' is Huntley a transwoman / woman?

You won't answer it because as everyone reading this knows, the line stops with it being 'men'.

We know it, you know it, everyone knows it.

All men are not rapists, but all rapists are men.

And there is no way of knowing which men will rape you or which men won't. Even the ones we know or think we know.

No, as Huntley's only ever vermin.

That was to rowantrees

No, as Huntley's only ever vermin.

With Human Rights that mean he can transition. So keeping on saying this doesn't remove those rights.

Don't agree with self ID,

Right, that's what you don't agree with. What do you agree with? What's the criteria?

datun seeing as you're the reasonable right now but straight back to head pat and/or insults pile on if I say anything slightly against your way of thinking, have yourself to blame for why I'm only answering some questions and others have bogged off.

seeing as you're the reasonable [one] right now

What is unreasonable about asking your thoughts on your own categories that you have yourself put forward?

If Huntley has 'meaningful transition' is Huntley a transwoman / woman?

Verbeena you answered:
No, as Huntley's only ever vermin.

Are you proposing is some sort of moral assessment which determines which males who have 'meaningful transition' are trans women / women?

Or that some males who have been committed of specific serious crimes should not have access to clothes, medical or surgical interventions?

Which crimes? There are male rapists, peadophiles, violent offenders and murderers who are currently in female prison estate.
As well of course males who have not been convicted of these same crimes.
How do you propose determining which of these can be 'trans woman / women' rather than the gender neutral term 'vermin'?

Commons briefing paper: Transgender Prisoners
September 2018
(extract)

The new policy
The Government published a report on their policy review in November 2016 which acknowledged that the treatment of transgender people in the criminal justice system had not kept pace with wider social views. Whilst earlier 2011 guidelines had emphasised the role of GRCs and medical interventions, the report noted that many transgender people successfully lived their lives without these. The new policy needed to “take as its starting presumption a wish to respect someone in the gender in which they identify”.

The new policy guidelines, Prison Service Instruction 17/2016 states that “all transgender prisoners (irrespective of prison location) must be allowed to express the gender with which they identify”. Such prisoners must be asked their view of the part of the prison estate that reflects this; however a decision to locate them in a prison which does not accord with their legal gender can only be made following a Transgender Case Board. Those who wish to be placed in a prison location which is not consistent with their legally recognised gender must provide evidence of living in the gender with which they identify. Assessments will be made on a case by case basis.

Scotland and Northern Ireland
In Scotland, 2014 policy guidelines state that the social gender in which the prisoner is living should be fully respected, regardless of whether or not they have a GRC.

The Northern Ireland Prison Service has no recent record of any prisoners who have self-identified as transgender. Their needs would be considered on a case by case basis, to include arrangements for where they would be accommodated and how they would engage in the prison regime." (continues)

researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7420#fullreport

datun seeing as you're the reasonable right now but straight back to head pat and/or insults pile on if I say anything slightly against your way of thinking, have yourself to blame for why I'm only answering some questions and others have bogged off.

So asking unreasonable questions in the past means you can't answer.

This is why transactivism is failing. One can't maintain an ideological position that instantly collapses because of Ian Huntley.

Everyone agrees Ian Huntley is a man. And shouldn't get transferred to a female prison.

But adherents to the ideology can't explain why.

sackrifice nothing unreasonable about asking or answering, don't know if you missed the part that I was actually referring to and that you quoted of me - certain posters acting all reasonable right now and then fall over laughing and personal pile ons start up again.

datun that's not what I said and I think you know that really.

"CRB checks were launched in March 2002 and were run by Capita.

Before CRB's the only checks were made against List 99. List 99 was for 80 years a controversial secret register of people barred from working with children by the Department of Education and Skills.The list contained the names, aliases, dates of birth and national insurance numbers of those people deemed not suitable to work with children in schools, social work and voluntary settings.

The procedures of the CRB were tightened following the Soham murders trial. Ian Huntley, a former caretaker, was found guilty of murdering two girls of a Cambridgeshire primary school in 2002. Huntley had been suspected of a string of offences including rape, indecent assault and burglary. His only conviction before the murders was for riding an uninsured and unlicensed motorcycle, but a burglary charge had remained on file. In January 2006, following controversies resulting from cases where staff had been hired by schools before a full CRB check had been carried out, the Department for Education and Skills stated: "Employers should obtain a CRB Enhanced Disclosure in respect of all teachers they recruit before the person is placed in a school." Huntley had been hired in November 2001, before the CRB came into force.

The DBS was formed in 2012 by merging the functions of the Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) and the Independent Safeguarding Authority (ISA) under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

DBS started operating on 1 December 2012. It operates from Liverpool and Darlington. Its equivalent agencies are Disclosure Scotland in Scotland and Access Northern Ireland in Northern Ireland."

stgilesstrust.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/129/~/dbs%2Fcrb-checks

have yourself to blame for why I'm only answering some questions and others have bogged off.

It's an interesting question.

Why aren't all the people who chant the mantra TWAW coming to explain why they think Huntley is a woman or at what point they will 'accept' him?

Is it because not one person does? Even though he has the same humans rights as anyone?

Those who wish to be placed in a prison location which is not consistent with their legally recognised gender must provide evidence of living in the gender with which they identify. Assessments will be made on a case by case basis.

Only the most rank sexism could ever have allowed for this ^^

Which is why, in practice, it fails.

Why should men be locked up with women? I don’t see any reason for it, and many reason against it

Don't know sackrifice - maybe because a lot of posters including myself think self id is a bad idea so shouldn't be pandered to?

Verbeena thinks they have some sort of superior, middle ground, rational argument, where they can recognise the ridiculous nature of self id whilst still being able to virtue signal.

What Verbeena actually as is meaningless guff. And everyone can see that. Keep digging.

Huntley shouldn't be pandered to that should read

Think what you like ava you might think I'm digging but you only need to see these threads to see extreme others do that all by themselves too

maybe because a lot of posters including myself think self id is a bad idea so shouldn't be pandered to?

But you yourself have stated that if Huntely got his penis removed you would not 'accept' him as a woman. That is not self id.

I am off out now, to do some ladylike pruning of hawthorn, and will return no doubt to herds of people who state TWAW and will explain in great detail their boundaries between thinking of someone as vermin, and thinking of someone as a woman.

VERMIN.....MEN.....TRANSWOMEN....WOMEN.

Come on people, chanters of the mantra. Come and explain yourselves. Where are your lines?

[p.s...Show your working.]