Ian Huntley ! This is wrong...

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I just don't have words

I think if Ian Huntley wants his bollocks removed then we should turn it to the public good.
How about holding a raffle?
Let’s say £1 a ticket, all proceeds to deserving causes.
The winner gets to choose the -rusty- instrument for the job

oldcrone So how about an answer to this, Verbeena?

I don't know what bit you're not getting? Don't you think there's a reason why no-one else is answering? Just me?
As there's no point.
Least I'm trying to say why no one else is engaging. If you can't see why certain bits aren't, then.... so be it.

Lovingbenidorm I think if Ian Huntley wants his bollocks removed then we should turn it to the public good. How about holding a raffle?

Now there's a raffle I'd donate to!
Do it with a rusty knife and I'd donate even more lol

If you can't see why certain bits aren't, then.... so be it.

for clarity's sake before it gets twisted - if can't see why certain bits aren't answered then so be it

I’d love to join in but I haven’t a fucking clue what’s going on 🧐

So how about an answer to this, Verbeena?

Yes, how about an answer?

I don't think you have given anything close to an answer to OldCrone's question there.

As for why no one else is answering, well, I am for keeping male rapists out of women's spaces by just keeping all males out. Males being very easily identifiable without having to be able to read their thoughts.

You are the one who doesn't seem to be able to say how exactly you intend to keep the Ian Huntleys of this world away from women.

lovingbenidorm I proper lol at your comment :-D

I wonder why we have sex segregation in the first place? Privacy being one but surely the main reason is that women fought for this right? Not all men are abusers/rapists etc but we couldn't exactly tell the rapists from the non rapists so the logical solution is sex segregation. Not all trans women are rapists but all trans women are men
The only solution is for trans people to fight for a third space just as women fought for their rights

loveinbenidorm I’d love to join in but I haven’t a fucking clue what’s going on
proper smile, thank you needed one of those today lol
two extremes, innit? Don't blame you for thinking WTF, people in the middle go dafuq? whereas people on extreme trans end spout shite and people on extreme rad fem end tend to do to.
So bleh. So as a newcomer, run, runnnnnnnnnnn whilst you still can haha

too

verbeena.

Please could you answer my question up thread?

What is extreme about my position?
Am I an extremist?

Thank you.

whereas people on extreme trans end spout shite and people on extreme rad fem end tend to do to.

What is extreme about wanting women and girls to have safe spaces?

So let me summarize: verbeena says s/he does not believe in the female penis, but thinks it is extremist to reject the presence of transwomen in woman‘s spaces.

So, verbeena does not believe in sex segregated spaces then and considers sex segregation extremist. Ok.

Still no answer from verbeena, what should be required for a ‚sex change‘, given his/her rejection of self-ID and her rejection of sex reassignment surgery as a prerequisite.
A diagnosis from a psychiatrist? If so, what Type of diagnosis? Not dysphoria regarding the male sex organ, I presume, as this would imply SRS and end in the ‚extremist‘ position of penis free women‘s spaces.
So, what diagnosis should be required, verbeena, given you reject Self-ID?

He's an evil little wanker playing the system.

They need to put a stop to this. No one should be able to transition to get out of male prisons. No.

Honestly, don't engage with Verbeena. They are your archetypal GF who is literally only out to shit stir. They only answer certain questions, mostly just quote others, backtrack on things and can't back up their argument at all. It's not worth getting exasperated with, they are just doing it for fun whilst not actually doing anything worth reporting.

I guess continuing to engage does continue to expose the ridiculous nature of their posting, so if people want to then crack on, but I have given up.

I've TOLD you why I'm only some questions. Read the other threads, there is no POINT answering some of them.
Again, not a they. Then you (general you) wonder why I thought it was done on purpose upthread?

answering some questions that should read
You're right, it does expose the ridiculous nature of the situation.

Avege true. The most charitable interpretation is that verbeena has never thought his/her manyfold of contradicting opinions to their conclusion either because of intellectual lazyness or because cognitive dissonance won‘t allow it.

Or it is really all just about stirring shit. Oh well.

wo extremes, innit? Don't blame you for thinking WTF, people in the middle go dafuq? whereas people on extreme trans end spout shite and people on extreme rad fem end tend to do to.

My position is that humans cannot change sex. That trans people should have the same protections from abuse, discrimination at work etc as everyone else. That society should be more tolerant of people who are not rigid in gender stereotypes and that gender stereotypes oppress us all. That there are very few occasions where it’s important to separate the sexes, but that where those exist they are important and should be retained.

Can I ask what is extremist about that? Genuinely - which bit is extreme?

I guess continuing to engage does continue to expose the ridiculous nature of their posting, so if people want to then crack on, but I have given up

I am quite enjoying pointing out that wanting women and girls to retain safe spaces is not an extremist position, and will keep doing so until V answers the question of why they think it is an extreme position in the first place...they seem to be getting quite irate at not being able to explain why they are not explaining their rationale.

Which as we all know...is because virtue signalling has no rationale.

There is no point in answering the question of how you reconcile your agreement with penises in sex segregated spaces while you do not think a penis can be female? Really?

And answering what diagnostic criteria should be a prerequisite for transition, considering you reject self-ID, is also pointless? Really?

There aren’t two equal sides to this btw - again that’s a rhetorical device to smear one side.

Humans cannot change sex. So our very few times and places we separate by sex? We do so on sex. Not gender. Not feelings. Just sex.

If you’re arguing that humans can change sex, or that those very few times we separate by sex aren’t inportant - that’s a big claim and as such needs evidence.

If you have proof humans can change sex the Nobel committee would like to know.

If you have proof men as a class are no longer a danger to women as a class then I’d be delighted - the world would be a better place. But again, you’d need data.

One side of this debate is saying humans can change sex and men are not danger to women - what is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence

I agree that trans people should have the same protection against discrimination and abuse as everyone else.
Nothing really what you said there is extreme. I said I don't want any old self ID.

You also said rejecting transwomen with penises in women‘s spaces is an extremist position Verbeena. Which implies, considering you do not believe that penises can be female, that you consider the idea of sex segregated spaces as extremist.