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AIBU? Have I ruined christmas for my daughter?

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Battler1126 · 09/12/2018 09:11

So.. Here's the short(ish) version. Recently I was getting ready to go out and do some christmas shopping when I recieved a phone call off my mum who was in such a state. Me and my hubby needed to get over to their house asap. I honestly thought someone was dying. We grab all of the stuff we need for the baby and left. When we get there my mum, dad (struggling to call him that now) brother (looking dreadful) and his girlfriend were sat in the front room. So we ask whats going on., obviously worried. My (26 year old) brothers been sacked from his job. He hasn't been turning in on time if at all.. He didn't pay the callout money for that week in at the office, hes in thousands of ££ worth of debt and has spent thousands of ££ savings. He owes money to every tom dick or Harry. Anyway, to cut a VERY long story short, although it's terrible, I was relieved thats all it was. Things can be sorted. He can get help with his gambling addiction and we can pay money back and move on. They then proceed to tell me things have been happening for almost a year and they've been keeping it from me. It's only now hes lost his job that theyre bothering to tell me. I'm still confused as to why I needed to know. I sat with the family and talked through things. Tried to sort stuff out (apparently this is why I had to know, I'm a good mediator and have my head screwed on. That's now changed according to them) When my parents left for work and his girlfriend left me, my hubby (who knows all about addiction) and my brother sat down and talked (we have been very close our whole lives. I practically brought him up) he said things he wouldnt say infront of them. We looked for help with gambling addictions. Found some good stuff to read online. I called the people that he owed money to. Set up payment plans to pay his debt off so when he got himself right he could just pay us back. My dad paid back the money to work for him (they work at the same company) he also paid back the stuff he owed to friends and family. So to help out I sorted the rest. THINKING I was doing what was right. I didn't want them to have to pull out all the money themselves this close to christmas. It halved the burden and stress and could be sorted at a later date. They were wanting to take his phone off him and lock him in a room. I understood they were shocked worried and angry but that wouldnt work. So I reasoned with them. Made it so he could keep his phone. They took any bank cards off him and I made him delete anything he could gamble on off his phone. We agreed that at any time they can ask to see the apps on there to make sure he hasn't got anything on. I also pointed out that in order to build their trust again they would have to let him prove himself. It was a fight but I got there in the end. He had his phone.
Cut to 5 days ago.. Me and my hubby were talking, we realised he obviously hadnt been paying his phone bill and other bits either so I called him (to which he answered the phone straight away, grateful Im the reason he has it). Told him to pick my oldest up from school and come to the house. He came and we asked about the phone bill etc.. He said he hasn't paid them. SOO.. I got him to call EE and tell them the bent truth as to why he hasn't been paying, authorise me to talk about his account and then put me on the phone. I paid his £147.35 bill and arranged to call back on the 12th to pay the next £59.70 so he could use his phone and the bills stopped mounting up. I also called other placed and debt collection agencies and paid some of them off. In total I paid £317. 63. My hubby left for work quickly followed by my brother who went home. So happy some things had been sorted out I rang hubby and talked. We are fully aware this is enabling him and not really teaching him anything but my "parents" wanted it this way. I was just pleased we could help. About an hour after my brother got home I got a txt off HIS dad asking who he owed money to and how much. My brother refused to talk about it with the parents. I rang his dad back and just said dont worry about stuff. We have sorted it. All we wanted him to pay was the biggest one. I told him who it was to and said I would txt the info over to him. He then turns on me like a cut snake. Shouting at me. I'm then being told all of this is my fault. Things being thrown back in my face about things that happened years ago. Being reminded of every £5 I've asked to lend in the past. Dragging up everything he thinks ive done wrong. I'm being shouted at not talked to. Hes telling my that my brother isnt my responsibility (wasn't that when he was living with me when he was younger or I had to stay in as a child to babysit sometimes 3 times a week) he was "TELLING ME" that Im wrong and know nothing about what's happened and I shouldnt have involved myself. Correct me if I'm wrong but I knew nothing about it til they told me. Surely thats them involving me?
Anyway, upset at how the phone call went with him I called my mum. Straight away she was defensive and basically said the same as her husband. She went at me like a mad woman and wouldnt reason with me. Couldnt or wouldnt answer why I was getting the blame and all of the crap to go with it. Told me she refused to talk to me any more about it. Again I was told it was my fault and I brought it on to myself. I don't understand where I went wrong? Now my brother isnt talking to me. I cant understand that either.
So.. We have an xmas tradition that every xmas eve we go out and do something as a family. Them 3 sometimes 4 if brothers girlfriend comes and us (with the baby this year. I was excited about her 1st christmas) we were having christmas day at our house this year.. another 1st I was excited about. My 10 year old is so excited and happy about it but has no Idea that Ive told them not to come. I've been treated like this off them my whole life and ive had enough and im so hurt by whats happened I don't want to see them BUT it's not going to be the same. Especially for my daughter. Im heartbroken for her. I can't sleep. I feel ill and its ruined christmas for me and I know it will for my daughter. I just tried to do whats right. Now they're playing happy families. Going out for drinks and acting like nothings happened and im the one left feeling like this with everyone turning on me. Should I just let it slide for my daughter's sake and let them come here for Xmas?

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MissionItsPossible · 09/12/2018 09:14

Ok.

newmun · 09/12/2018 09:17

Make new traditions. What a horrible family!

LostInShoebiz · 09/12/2018 09:18

Keeping up this Xmas tradition is the least of your worries. Organise something else and she probably won’t even notice b

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 09/12/2018 09:19

Forget about Christmas, cut them out of your life!

Pachyderm1 · 09/12/2018 09:19

That’s awful, i’m so sorry. I don’t think you can just let it slide though. Everyone is very defensive at the moment but could you try talking to them again and explaining why you are so hurt and let down?

gamerwidow · 09/12/2018 09:20

Let it slide and let them come for Christmas for your DDs sake then take a massive step back and don’t get involved with the drama again.

Russiawithlove · 09/12/2018 09:22

How has this ruined Christmas for your baby? I think you need to get some perspective.

GreenTulips · 09/12/2018 09:22

I don't think think my of you are helping your brother at all - seems he got off Scott free and learnt nothing.

From now on be a listener and stop taking over - he won't help himself if he has 3 of you running round after him. He's a grown up.

As for your parents - they obviously like the control and they've passed this on to you

Back away and leave them to their own drama

magoria · 09/12/2018 09:23

He is right in a way. Stop clearing off your brothers debts. He is never going to learn and change if you sort it all out. They have closed ranks and I doubt he will now pay you back.

Not paying work money in is a serious thing and I am surprised he was just sacked and they didn't actually go to the police for theft.

Text and inform them you will not be paying his next phone bill.

I think you should not let it slide. Time to make a stand.

Make a new fun thing for your immediate family. Find something you DH and DD can make your family tradition.

sandgrown · 09/12/2018 09:23

I'm sorry I am a bit confused by your story but I can't see that you have done anything wrong. Can you speak to your brother alone and get him to mediate? Just concentrate on your own family for now and make your Christmas special .

Russiawithlove · 09/12/2018 09:23

Just leave them to it and enjoy your own Christmas.

Battler1126 · 09/12/2018 09:24

Thanks for your responses. @russiawithlove it will ruin it for her if things don't happen like she thought. Shes excited about them coming here and now I've told them not to.

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knittedjest · 09/12/2018 09:25

Here's the thing. People say mean things when they are upset. It's a fact of life. Even you are doing it here with bringing up the past about your father.

I would dare say they are more upset with your brother than you but lashing out at you because you are, with the best intentions, putting yourself in the middle of it. Reading between the lines it sounds like your parents have been helping him for a year and it's all come to a head and now brother has promised them he was going to take responsibility and sort it out himself and they've brought you in to be a third party that he has to be responsible for his actions to and the very next minute, as soon as they've left the room, he has turned to you and you've bailed him out again and when you told them they just lashed out. Not nice and not fair but like I said, it happens.

Give it a few days and it will probably calm down and then call them up. They will most likely be very apologetic for their actions and explain everything to you. It's really not the end of your relationship and Christmas will be fine.

I would also advice you not to help your brother financially. He has to take responsibility for his own actions for once. You can't help a gambling addict by giving them money or things they can't afford to pay for.

Iloveacurry · 09/12/2018 09:25

I don’t think you’ve done anything wrong. So you’ve helped your brother out, and now your parents and brother are blaming you? I’d just leave them to it. Let them come to you and apologise. Forget them for now.

ILovePierceBrosnan · 09/12/2018 09:26

I’m afraid your brother’s addiction will mean he plays family off against each other. I suspect your parents realise this. What you thought was ‘your special relationship “ because you “virtually brought him up” encouraged you to do stuff without their knowledge...enabling him as you recognised.

Best of intentions muddled with pride at being the special one to save him. Let you parents deal now and apologise for getting too involved. I hope your family do the decent thing and acknoyyour generosity and good intentions.

Meanwhile stop paying money to him. He will gamble and gamble whilst you do so and your parents know that. That probably fuelled their response

Russiawithlove · 09/12/2018 09:27

But love she is only small. Kids get easily distracted. Just focus her attention on the day with yourself and your husband.
Your looking at it from an adult rationale not a child's.

You haven't done anything wrong.

junebirthdaygirl · 09/12/2018 09:28

Presuming this is real.Look gambling is a serious serious problem and the main rule around dealing with it is
DO NOT PAY ANY DEBTS, LOAN THEM MONEY OR PROP THEM UP IN ANY WAY.
They are ace manipulators and will play everyone off against each other to get their way. Your family are totally stressed because of your db which is normal enough in those extreme circumstances.
Your db needs to fall flat on his face and not be held up by others. You need to read up on gambling or go along to a few GA meeting to hear the advice. Obviously as you just heard you couldn't know all this ..but be aware your dbs issues will fracture your family if you are not up to speed. Your family sounds quite dysfunctional so your dd is missing nothing not seeing them. Just have your own Christmas and she will be fine. Be fully aware you will never receive a penny back from your db and do not pay other bill for him.

abbsisspartacus · 09/12/2018 09:28

Everyone needs to learn this is not okay even your daughter she will understand when she is older

HollowTalk · 09/12/2018 09:28

What lesson has your brother learned in all this? He messes up and the adults in the family sort it out.

Do you really think that's the way to deal with addiction? You say your husband knows about addiction - do you mean personally or professionally?

BookMeOnTheSudExpress · 09/12/2018 09:29

Arrange lovely cheap things for your daughter and you and your dh.
Let your nomark brother sort his own shit from now on. If people stop bailing him out every time, he might grow up.

Battler1126 · 09/12/2018 09:29

@Magoria and @greentulips I know it's enabling him. I wouldn't have gone down the route of paying things off like this and just sweeping it under the carpet but I was doing what they wanted and what I thought would help. I fail to see how I involved myself? They had gone a year without telling me and only chose to tell me because he has lost his job.

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ThePinkOcelot · 09/12/2018 09:29

I’m sorry but your parents (is he your step dad?) sound like lunatics. I would cut them off tbh. Enjoy Xmas as your little family unit.

ILovePierceBrosnan · 09/12/2018 09:30

Your baby would not have a clue it was even Christmas if you didn’t make a fuss. So this is about your feelings about her first Christmas not hers. Own that. It’s ok to be upset but don’t pretend you’re upset for her

To me it sounds like a family that deflects their real issues constantly by bouncing them somewhere else.

LucheroTena · 09/12/2018 09:30

Don’t give him any more money or get involved in his dramas. You’re enabling him and nothing will ever be enough. He’s a grown man who needs to face the consequences in order to learn.

I would just leave it all to quiet down. Do you want them round if there’s going to be an atmosphere? Everyone needs to reflect and have some space.

A580Hojas · 09/12/2018 09:30

Too long for me, sorry.

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