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AIBU? Have I ruined christmas for my daughter?

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Battler1126 · 09/12/2018 09:11

So.. Here's the short(ish) version. Recently I was getting ready to go out and do some christmas shopping when I recieved a phone call off my mum who was in such a state. Me and my hubby needed to get over to their house asap. I honestly thought someone was dying. We grab all of the stuff we need for the baby and left. When we get there my mum, dad (struggling to call him that now) brother (looking dreadful) and his girlfriend were sat in the front room. So we ask whats going on., obviously worried. My (26 year old) brothers been sacked from his job. He hasn't been turning in on time if at all.. He didn't pay the callout money for that week in at the office, hes in thousands of ££ worth of debt and has spent thousands of ££ savings. He owes money to every tom dick or Harry. Anyway, to cut a VERY long story short, although it's terrible, I was relieved thats all it was. Things can be sorted. He can get help with his gambling addiction and we can pay money back and move on. They then proceed to tell me things have been happening for almost a year and they've been keeping it from me. It's only now hes lost his job that theyre bothering to tell me. I'm still confused as to why I needed to know. I sat with the family and talked through things. Tried to sort stuff out (apparently this is why I had to know, I'm a good mediator and have my head screwed on. That's now changed according to them) When my parents left for work and his girlfriend left me, my hubby (who knows all about addiction) and my brother sat down and talked (we have been very close our whole lives. I practically brought him up) he said things he wouldnt say infront of them. We looked for help with gambling addictions. Found some good stuff to read online. I called the people that he owed money to. Set up payment plans to pay his debt off so when he got himself right he could just pay us back. My dad paid back the money to work for him (they work at the same company) he also paid back the stuff he owed to friends and family. So to help out I sorted the rest. THINKING I was doing what was right. I didn't want them to have to pull out all the money themselves this close to christmas. It halved the burden and stress and could be sorted at a later date. They were wanting to take his phone off him and lock him in a room. I understood they were shocked worried and angry but that wouldnt work. So I reasoned with them. Made it so he could keep his phone. They took any bank cards off him and I made him delete anything he could gamble on off his phone. We agreed that at any time they can ask to see the apps on there to make sure he hasn't got anything on. I also pointed out that in order to build their trust again they would have to let him prove himself. It was a fight but I got there in the end. He had his phone.
Cut to 5 days ago.. Me and my hubby were talking, we realised he obviously hadnt been paying his phone bill and other bits either so I called him (to which he answered the phone straight away, grateful Im the reason he has it). Told him to pick my oldest up from school and come to the house. He came and we asked about the phone bill etc.. He said he hasn't paid them. SOO.. I got him to call EE and tell them the bent truth as to why he hasn't been paying, authorise me to talk about his account and then put me on the phone. I paid his £147.35 bill and arranged to call back on the 12th to pay the next £59.70 so he could use his phone and the bills stopped mounting up. I also called other placed and debt collection agencies and paid some of them off. In total I paid £317. 63. My hubby left for work quickly followed by my brother who went home. So happy some things had been sorted out I rang hubby and talked. We are fully aware this is enabling him and not really teaching him anything but my "parents" wanted it this way. I was just pleased we could help. About an hour after my brother got home I got a txt off HIS dad asking who he owed money to and how much. My brother refused to talk about it with the parents. I rang his dad back and just said dont worry about stuff. We have sorted it. All we wanted him to pay was the biggest one. I told him who it was to and said I would txt the info over to him. He then turns on me like a cut snake. Shouting at me. I'm then being told all of this is my fault. Things being thrown back in my face about things that happened years ago. Being reminded of every £5 I've asked to lend in the past. Dragging up everything he thinks ive done wrong. I'm being shouted at not talked to. Hes telling my that my brother isnt my responsibility (wasn't that when he was living with me when he was younger or I had to stay in as a child to babysit sometimes 3 times a week) he was "TELLING ME" that Im wrong and know nothing about what's happened and I shouldnt have involved myself. Correct me if I'm wrong but I knew nothing about it til they told me. Surely thats them involving me?
Anyway, upset at how the phone call went with him I called my mum. Straight away she was defensive and basically said the same as her husband. She went at me like a mad woman and wouldnt reason with me. Couldnt or wouldnt answer why I was getting the blame and all of the crap to go with it. Told me she refused to talk to me any more about it. Again I was told it was my fault and I brought it on to myself. I don't understand where I went wrong? Now my brother isnt talking to me. I cant understand that either.
So.. We have an xmas tradition that every xmas eve we go out and do something as a family. Them 3 sometimes 4 if brothers girlfriend comes and us (with the baby this year. I was excited about her 1st christmas) we were having christmas day at our house this year.. another 1st I was excited about. My 10 year old is so excited and happy about it but has no Idea that Ive told them not to come. I've been treated like this off them my whole life and ive had enough and im so hurt by whats happened I don't want to see them BUT it's not going to be the same. Especially for my daughter. Im heartbroken for her. I can't sleep. I feel ill and its ruined christmas for me and I know it will for my daughter. I just tried to do whats right. Now they're playing happy families. Going out for drinks and acting like nothings happened and im the one left feeling like this with everyone turning on me. Should I just let it slide for my daughter's sake and let them come here for Xmas?

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MiraculousMarinette · 09/12/2018 09:31

What now? You paid off some of your brother's debt and your parents turned on you? Is that your story in a nutshell? If so then they're mad. Start your own Xmas traditions and be politely indifferent.

Battler1126 · 09/12/2018 09:35

@knittedjest thank you. To the people saying im enabling him. I agree and would never want to do it this way. He needs professional help (which he has got now) I missed out the part where I told my parents im here to help and they thanked me. This was before I did.

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whosafraidofabigduckfart · 09/12/2018 09:35

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HJWT · 09/12/2018 09:36

Put it bluntly.... GET OVER IT and plan something even better for DD!! they sound like absolute ass wholes and if they act like that then they will never put your children first anyway, I would cut contact for good and start new traditions with your own family! They aren't worth knowing! My DH are the exact same, there's only me DH and DD on Christmas Day but we always make it special for us, you don't need them and neither does your DD

Battler1126 · 09/12/2018 09:36

@ilovepiercebrosnan my oldest daughter is 10. It's about her feelings not mine or my 9 month old babies

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HJWT · 09/12/2018 09:36

ThanksThanksThanks once you stop caring about other people you will feel so much better in your own life xxx

LIZS · 09/12/2018 09:37

Replan the day without them. All the time someone mops up his mess he will continue to make it. He is lucky he has not been prosecuted. You can opt out of enabling him but don't expect to ever see your loan money again.

Grannyannex · 09/12/2018 09:37

You really shouldn’t be paying his debts. That’s enabling him. He needs to hit rock bottom and take responsibility. Best thing you can do is put him in contact with step change and gamblers anonymous. Paying his debt is not helping him

Battler1126 · 09/12/2018 09:37

@A580hojas well then be happy you didnt read it. Have a good day :)

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MatildaTheCat · 09/12/2018 09:38

Leave it and let the dust settle. They did ask you to get involved but possibly not to sweep in and take absolute control and then some more. Unfortunately you have tried to be a fixer and it’s backfired.

Your DB still has gambling issues and will do until he decides to sort himself out. The only real difference is that you are also out of pocket big time.

Do something else for Christmas and leave them to it. Yes, it’s hurtful to be turned on but in the scheme of things your hurt is a smaller consideration than your brothers addiction and your parents’ worries.

HJWT · 09/12/2018 09:38

@Battler1126 I think she's old enough to be told a PG version of why they won't be coming, my niece on DH side thinks her nan is awful for the way she acts towards her mum and she's only 9.

Battler1126 · 09/12/2018 09:41

@whosafraidofabigduckfart (love the name) thanks for that. It's actually very helpful. Hes seeing someone at talking changes now and i sent him some links to a forum I found on the nhs website for gamblers. This is how I wanted to deal with it. My hubby knows about addiction (hes a recovering addict and he works with people to help them through at a centre 4 times a week) but we feel hes too close and it wouldn't really help. Although doing what we have done hasnt helped either. We just wanted to do what they all felt was the right thing. They refused to listen to us.

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BewareOfDragons · 09/12/2018 09:42

So your brother got you to pay off his bills, which his parents surely knew about, and now they've all turned on you?

Nice family. Not.

Walk away. You don't want your own child exposed to such vile behaviour.

Grannyannex · 09/12/2018 09:43

Brother relies on others paying his debts. Don’t give him another penny. He needs to know you won’t save him. While the lines are blurred he’s not taking responsibility. He needs clarity

Grannyannex · 09/12/2018 09:46

Please accept that by giving him money you were not helping him, instead you were part of the problem.

Battler1126 · 09/12/2018 09:51

@grannyannex Im with you. I was just trying to help my mum out. They have things to pay for aswell but refuse to let him deal with it properly. I thought I was helping. If not it would have been a LOT more they were going to pay out on their own. My brother doesnt need anyone wiping his arse for him. Hes 26 and needs to learn to stand on his own 2 feet but they wont allow that so in order to help them I paid some of the debt and bills off. I dont know why they involved me and told me about it all if they didn't want me to do anything.

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BumbleyBum · 09/12/2018 09:51

Maybe they didn’t involve you because they thought you’d pay things off? Though done with your best intentions, it wasn’t the right (or agreed) action. You’ve done it now.
Life’s too short. Ring them. Tell them you don’t appreciate the way you were spoken to. But, your actions came from a place of live. You’ve done it now but you won’t be enabling him again. Say Christmas is still on for whoever wants to join you.
Move on and Merry Christmas Xmas Wink

BumbleyBum · 09/12/2018 09:52

place of love, not live

Battler1126 · 09/12/2018 09:53

@Bumbleybum maybe youre right. Merry christmas to you too x

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InProgress · 09/12/2018 09:55

If you meet up with them at Christmas how are they going to treat you and your daughter? Not very well from the sounds of it. Arrange something with DHs family or friends and let her know she'll be fine.

Don't engage with your family. You've tried to help and they don't appreciate it at all. Tell them you're not paying the next phone bill and withdraw from the drama.

Winlinbin · 09/12/2018 09:57

Arrange a different treat on Christmas Eve. Tell DD that you wanted to do something special just for her because she has been such a great big sister. I\

Never, ever enable an addict again. Infantilising him won’t help him.

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/12/2018 09:57

Do you want your 10 yo dd to get enmeshed in the family issues? This will happen if you swallow it for this year imo. You’ve taken a step back. Keep it this way.

I am from a family full of high drama. The easiest thing you can do is walk away. Yes it hurts knowing they’re out there having fun. But they aren’t actually happy people. Happy people don’t act like this.

You’ve paid off the bills that you’ve paid. Do not pay a penny more. Tell your dd the plans have changed and you’re doing something even more exciting instead. Use the money you would have spent on paying off the rest of the phone bill and paying other debts to do something nice. Go to the nearest city, see the lights, go to the pantomime or go to London if it isn’t too far etc. Take a best friend if you think it will ease the upset.

Perhaps one day there may be a way back from this. But not right now. This is a good thing. You’re learning to teach your children about boundaries.

Mulberry72 · 09/12/2018 09:59

Don’t give your brother any more money, you are all just enabling him. You’ll never see a penny of what you’ve spent bailing him out.

Start making your own Christmas Eve traditions with your little family, let the rest of them do what they want. They all sound awful.

Russiawithlove · 09/12/2018 10:02

If you let this ruin your Christmas then you have made this all about your brother. He doesn't deserve that.
In the kindest possible way you need to step back a bit.
It sounds like you've gone in all guns blazing to pay debts. The problem is far bigger than that. Step away from the problem now and move on.

IamPickleRick · 09/12/2018 10:05

I don’t think your daughter is missing out on anything by not seeing these people. They sound horrid. You were enabling him but you know that, sounds like they have too for a whole year. If your stepdad feels this way and is bringing up lots of old stuff then he’s been stewing on it for all this time holding his tongue, why would you want someone like that in your house at a time like Christmas. I’d bin them off and take her to the fair or something.

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