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To think Scotland should be allowed to leave the UK and remain in the EU

527 replies

nickiredcar · 09/12/2018 06:34

New poll says that most Scots think they would be better off leaving the UK after brexit. It's time they had another vote right?

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dapplegrey · 09/12/2018 18:59

A poster above criticised 'england' for voting for brexit and many leave voters have been told how stupid and racist they're for voting leave but thats ok? But us telling scots how stupid it would be to leave the uk isn't?
Good point.

Purplefrogshoes · 09/12/2018 18:59

Yabu! Scotland voted to remain part of the UK

MinecraftHolmes · 09/12/2018 19:00

we don't share England's values (or lack of), and we're all the better for that.

What on earth are you on about? 38% of the Scottish voters wanted a Leave outcome, and 46% of English voters wanted a remain outcome. There is clearly not one set national mindset for any part of the UK.

Racecardriver · 09/12/2018 19:04

I don’t see why not. At a reasonable point post brexit Westminster should permit another referendum should there be good reason to believe that Scotland wants one. I generally don’t agree with this voting over and over business but I think that conditions have undoubtably changed since the last vote and quite frankly Britain may benefit from disposing if it’s less prosperous areas.

FunkyKingston · 09/12/2018 19:10

Time and time again during the 2014 referendum we were told we were equal partners. Time and time again, Westminster has shown nothing but contempt towards the Scottish people

The EU referendum should have required a majority in each of the four constituent parts of the UK if the rhetoric of being equal partners meant anything. As it is, we are being led out of Europe against our will thanks in a large part to the bloody English and the Tory government we didn't vote for.

Nyx · 09/12/2018 19:11

Puzzled, you're right about Danish oil & gas. My mistake.

Silverysurfer: "Thanks for the link Nyx. It's interesting that despite the article asserting that the majority preferred independence over Brexit, the article concludes with:

However, the view did not translate in to support for independence right now. Panelbase had Yes trailing No by 47 per cent to 53 per cent."

The majority in the poll preferred independence over Brexit. So if/when Brexit goes ahead, we will see if that 47% supporting "independence now" goes up.

MinecraftHolmes · 09/12/2018 19:13

It suits 38% of the Scottish population perfectly well to be out of the EU. And I seem to recall the EU saying that they would not enter discussions regarding Scotland gaining entry to the EU as an independent country until it happened - and Spain outright saying they would veto it. There were no guarantees either way.

campbellsmum · 09/12/2018 19:14

Yanbu
What a lot of people forget to mention when talking about this is the fact that one of the MAIN talking points from the No campaign was that we wouldn't be allowed to stay in the EU, made people shit themselves into noting no, then two years later were being dragged out anyway!
I do not agree with everything the SNP does but my god we've been put through the ringer. Winds me up when people say we just have to put up with our decision, why? When the goalposts have been moved repeatedly since then, when most of the leave brexit campaign was lies that Scottish people, by majority, didn't fall for!
Can you tell I'm fuming

StepAwayFromGoogle · 09/12/2018 19:34

A union is a union i.e. when you have a majority vote the majority vote wins. You can't then decide you want to re-configure that vote so that England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland each have to have their own majority. England is not 'dragging' Scotland out of the EU because we are part of the EU as the UK. Scotland does not have its own place within the EU independently.

berryhead2013 · 09/12/2018 19:39

First things first get rid of the scummy Tories who want to starve and belittle the disadvantaged if all the snp voters votes for someone else we could do this and still maybe have another independence referendum think of the long game

Walkingdeadfangirl · 09/12/2018 19:44

we are being led out of Europe against our will thanks in a large part to the bloody English and the Tory government we didn't vote for.

FYI no one is leaving EUROPE we are leaving the EU.

Actually if more Scots people voted to remain in the EU then we would be staying in the EU. Scotland has no one to blame but themselves for us leaving, because they had the chance to stop it and chose not to.

And why are the SNP ignoring the 38% who voted leave in Scotland, I dont hear any talk about compromise. Sturgeon only seems to represent people who vote the way she tells them.

LassWiADelicateAir · 09/12/2018 19:48

What poll is this? I haven't seen anything saying support for separatism has risen.

My answer is still No. I don't want a separate Scotland.

LassWiADelicateAir · 09/12/2018 19:53

The Panelbase poll shows support for independence has crept up slightly, but not enough to overtake those opposed to it. And, if there was to be a general election, as Labour demands, in Scotland the party would be the biggest losers

The actual report in The Sunday Times says the above

Sparklybanana · 09/12/2018 19:59

gawd. I just realised that my 4 year old has never known life when Scotland isn’t being affected by some bs referendum. I can’t imagine how shit it would be having another bloody referendum because the first had the ‘wrong’ result. We’ve hardly got a strong economy because of brexit, going independent from a Union we’ve had a LOT longer is going to just mess things up even more. I’m tired of all this. Just one mess at time please. SNP need to deal with the day job first.

FunkyKingston · 09/12/2018 20:04

Actually if more Scots people voted Scotland has no one to blame but themselves for us leaving, because they had the chance to stop it and chose not to. And why are the SNP ignoring the 38% who voted leave in Scotland, I dont hear any talk about compromise. Sturgeon only seems to represent people who vote the way she tells them.

Is walkingdead a self descriptor?

Complete nonsense and well you know it. Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay. In a Yes/No referendum 62% is a landslide.

Schmoobarb · 09/12/2018 20:18

And why are the SNP ignoring the 38% who voted leave in Scotland, I dont hear any talk about compromise.

The same way the Tories and Labour are ignoring the 48% UK wide who voted remain then?

LassWiADelicateAir · 09/12/2018 20:26

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scottish-independence-better-than-brexit-htt8lbwvc

You need to be a Times subscriber to see the full story ; it isn't quite what the OP is suggesting.

GirlsBlouse17 · 09/12/2018 20:26

I was born in Scotland but brought up in England. I would be very sad for Scotland to leave the UK. I know the history of centuries ago was one of conflict between England and Scotland but that is the past. The last two centuries has been one of peace and working together and integration. I see us all as the same people and it would be upsetting if Scotland went its desperate way. However, if that's what the people of Scotland really want, they should just do it. We all work better together but we will all survive separately if need be. The heart of the UK (Or part of it) has never really been in the EU and I would understand if the EU said okay, fair enough, we understand, maybe you should go. If Scotland's heart is not really in the UK, then maybe it should go.

LassWiADelicateAir · 09/12/2018 20:30

However, if that's what the people of Scotland really want, they should just do it.

But they don't. There has never been a majority for independence.

GirlsBlouse17 · 09/12/2018 20:33

If Scotland had a second referendum, would independence win?

LassWiADelicateAir · 09/12/2018 20:37

If Scotland had a second referendum, would independence win?

Not according to most recent poll.

Nyx · 09/12/2018 20:43

There is very nearly a majority for independence. And with Brexit there could very well be a majority for independence. It is certainly a material change since the last independence referendum, which nobody can deny was very much weighted towards "vote No or Scotland will be out of the EU".

More people in Scotland want independence than want Brexit.

GirlsBlouse17 · 09/12/2018 20:43

Then that answers the OPs question. The reason Scotland should not be allowed to leave the UK is because the majority of Scots do not want to leave the UK

LassWiADelicateAir · 09/12/2018 20:47

I voted No and Remain. If we had second referernda on both I would still vote that way but I do not want an independent Scotland in the EU.

Nyx · 09/12/2018 20:47

Berryhead "First things first get rid of the scummy Tories who want to starve and belittle the disadvantaged if all the snp voters votes for someone else we could do this and still maybe have another independence referendum think of the long game"

Are you talking about Labour?

We've been there and done that. Scotland was more or less fully Labour for many many years. Labour in Scotland are now basically Tories. Those Labour who are left, that is. Labour are dead in Scotland for a reason. They will not be trusted here again for a very, very long time. It's sad to see but it's well deserved.