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To think Scotland should be allowed to leave the UK and remain in the EU

527 replies

nickiredcar · 09/12/2018 06:34

New poll says that most Scots think they would be better off leaving the UK after brexit. It's time they had another vote right?

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MargueritaPink · 13/12/2018 22:42

Scotland is a nation in the sense that, and to the extent that, it is regarded as such by people, by its inhabitants, by officials, by the international community, and so forth. The people of Scotland regard themselves as a nation

Sorry but who are these "people of Scotland" you have appointed yourself to speak for? I don't think that way.

Calyx · 13/12/2018 23:11

Marguerita. You live in Scotland and don't see Scotland as a nation?

If so then I am guessing you are in the minority. Scotland is a nation. It just is. It's a thing.

Hohocabbage · 13/12/2018 23:20

I’ve heard a number of people I know who were No voters who now say they would vote yes, but I haven’t come across any yes voters who have changed to No (in the very small poll of my life)

CardsforKittens · 13/12/2018 23:30

The people of FIFA seem to regard Scotland as a nation. Just saying.

MargueritaPink · 13/12/2018 23:31

No I don't think Scotland is a nation. That makes me cringe. All that Flower of Scotland stand up and be a nation again twaddle is just embarrassing.

I know plenty of people who feel that way.

I don't know any No voters who have changed their minds, nor, tbh, yes who have changed their minds; if anything I would say both sides are more entrenched. I definitely am. My sole criteria for voting in the last general election was which candidate is most likely to beat the Nat candidate.

But this Scotland is a nation/ proud to be Scottish/ fighting for independence stuff, sorry, leaves me utterly unmoved.

katekat383 · 13/12/2018 23:32

Marg she speak with false tongue. Ranty 2

katekat383 · 13/12/2018 23:34

Oh yes you do sound “entrenched”.

katekat383 · 13/12/2018 23:35

My sole criterion, Marg. it’s one thing g hence sole.

Smallhorse · 13/12/2018 23:35

Noooooo
That would be a disaster

katekat383 · 13/12/2018 23:36

Excuse autocorrect’s smart antics.

MargueritaPink · 13/12/2018 23:36

Marg she speak with false tongue. Ranty 2

What on earth is that supposed to mean?

MargueritaPink · 13/12/2018 23:39

How amusing that despite correcting my grammar your own post was gibberish.

Marg she speak with false tongue. Ranty 2

katekat383 · 13/12/2018 23:40

Deliberate, Marg.

Criterion - singular
Criteria - plural

HTH

katekat383 · 13/12/2018 23:41

Imagine you are more comfortable with gibberish.

MargueritaPink · 13/12/2018 23:43

And please don't call me Marg

Oh and it would be "she speaks with false tongue" not "she speak".

Unless of course you were trying to mimic some sort of Hollywood "Red Indian speak" - which would be very odd and offensive.

Hohocabbage · 13/12/2018 23:45

Spent a minute there working out what Holyrood red Indian speech was before penny dropped..

MargueritaPink · 13/12/2018 23:46

I magine you are more comfortable with gibberish.

Well it is you who posted Marg she speak with false tongue. Ranty 2

Definitely gibberish and grammatically incorrect.

My username is not Marg

MargueritaPink · 13/12/2018 23:48

Spent a minute there working out what Holyrood red Indian speech was before penny dropped.

I meant "Hollywood*

Marg she speak with false tongue. Ranty 2. sounds exactly like the sort of racist language used in bad Cowboy and Indian films by white actors in red face.

katekat383 · 14/12/2018 00:00

Anyway, about the criteria thing, did you really not know? Dear me...

Hohocabbage · 14/12/2018 00:04

Yes I got that!

hadenough · 14/12/2018 00:15

MargueritaPink is the kind of person who probably rejoiced when Theresa May's 'deal' made not one mention of Scotland. Like Mrs May, to her Scotland is most likely a mere irrelevance, and its place in the world should only be disparaged.

Thank goodness Scotland rejects such shameful narratives. The Brexiteers have shattered the Union, and it will never be rebuilt. Too much damage has been done.

ronatheseal · 14/12/2018 00:35

@MargueritaPink
Sorry but who are these "people of Scotland" you have appointed yourself to speak for? I don't think that way.
No I don't think Scotland is a nation. That makes me cringe. All that Flower of Scotland stand up and be a nation again twaddle is just embarrassing.

Listen I know that three centuries have done a number on our self-confidence, but it's still depressing to see people claiming to be Scottish boasting about being cringers and self-haters as if it's some sort of respectable virtue. Maybe the odd person might pretend to give you brownie points for such sentiment at some Conservative party tea afternoon in deepest Oxfordshire, but most people around the world respect self-respect most, the English included. Anyway, you are not in much company. Most Scots, including most No voters, are reasonably proud of being Scottish and regard themselves as a nation. 62% of Scottish residents when asked if Scottish or British or other in the last census said 'Scottish only', 18% said 'Scottish and British'. Only 8% said 'British only', and given that 10% of residents are from England that's not very surprising. Essentially all Scots except a few raving cringers on the margins regard Scotland as their nation in some way. I'm 99% sure you know this already.

Earthmover · 14/12/2018 03:58

It'd be easy to say nothing because EVERYBODY knows somebody that did something that proves a point on the Internet that's not actually true.... But I can say with hand on heart that the day after the EU referendum, I hadn't even reached my desk before I was confronted by one of these political types pumping his gums about the result.
A ScotNat that's been an SNP supporter since 2014 Indy ref(doubt he'd even heard of a polling booth prior tbh) and he talked and talked and bored the face off me everytime I passed him.
First thing he said was words to the effect... Great result last night to which I replied wha..? Thought you were an Indy man, you're meant to be pro EU??
Turns out he'd rather be out the EU than independent of the UK.
A narrative I've come across more than a few times since.
Some people are just anti establishment and will vote whichever way rocks the boat the most.
I'm also a bit guilty of it. I wouldn't say it influences my choices but it's certainly an added bonus when it goes against the grain.
Be surprised how common this phenomenon is and the ones that are possessed by it. You'll never change their minds either. Unless another opportunity with even greater consequence (not always bad but that's incidental) comes their way.

2 years down the road and I think the vast majority on both sides are consumed by this irrational need to be victorious.
That's why you'll never change anyone's mind.

Vivaldi1678 · 14/12/2018 04:32

I haven't read the full thread but I thought that Nicola Sturgeon had already suggested this but the EU weren't interested. Scotland take more financially from the UK than they give and would not be a net contributor to the EU either, so they don't hold much attraction really.

That said, I have much sympathy for the Scots. In my opinion, the referendum should have required a majority in each country of the union for Brexit to be implemented.

Nyx · 14/12/2018 06:49

Well, I agree it should. Much like the EU countries have a veto on EU policies, the constituent parts of the UK should have a veto or similar in this type of situation. Otherwise it's not a union, it's a dictatorship. England with 85% of the population of the UK decides everything to suit themselves.

Some union.