To think Scotland should be allowed to leave the UK and remain in the EU

[nickiredcar]

New poll says that most Scots think they would be better off leaving the UK after brexit. It's time they had another vote right?

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@Itsallgoingtobefine. . I'm very worried, don't want my price of whiskey rising you see

@Tiscold I've no idea what you've taken from that Wikipedia quote, but I've said all I need to say about Wikipedia. And FYI Scottish water of life is usually spelled these days without the 'e': 'whiskey' is usually understood to refer to the Irish or American stuff, 'whisky' for the Scottish stuff.

Ooh thanks for the lesson, i will miss the good priced whisky if you leave .

But until you've enough people supporting it, tough luck

It seems some confusion might have arisen between the "Current Account Balance" and a "Budget Deficit"

www.mytutor.co.uk/answers/17460/GCSE/Economics/What-is-the-difference-between-the-current-account-deficit-and-the-government-deficit/

Silly me, posted the wrong figures, well spotted. Correction then, the UK has the world's second largest current account deficit and 'only' the world's sixth largest budget deficit. Still a complete basketcase by the logic of the English nationalists on this thread, completely incapable of independence. Must seek German rule ASAP.

These threads always give me a warm glow inside. They only pop up when Unionists are getting worried

It popped up because a separatist chose to misinterpret poll results. There is not a majority for separatism.

@LassWiADelicateAir, Yikes, evil divisive separatists! Grievance! Divisive! Etc. But I just reread the OP, and I'm confused what did the divisive 'separatist' 'choose to misinterpret'? It seems more like you misinterpreted the 'separatist'.

Just look at your own post- you are getting hysterical.

I'm not going to refer to "independence" as I refuse to buy into this ridiculous notion that Scotland is oppressed. Scotland is a constituent part of the UK.You and your like want to separate Scotland from the UK. That is a fact. Do you deny you want Scotland to separate from the UK?

"Independence" as far as I'm concerned is a stupid, overblown, romantic fantasy. You can use it if you like- but you can't compel me to bolster up your fantasy by using your preferred term.

The OP omitted this

The Panelbase poll shows support for independence has crept up slightly, but not enough to overtake those opposed to it

As for being "divisive" lordy - you lot are the ones dreaming of breaking up the UK- despite losing the referndum. That's pretty bloody divisive.

Hi lass, lovely to read your calm and measured posts again! So independence is a bad word? Dear oh dear. FYI Scotland is a country in a union, not a region. Scotland's people are sovereign so if and when there is a majority for Scottish independence, that is what will happen.

The OP refers to a poll discussing support for independence being preferred to Brexit (which apparently is now the case in Scotland). The part about support for independence not being over 50% was referring to independence right now. I guess we'll see what happens.

These threads always give me a warm glow inside. They only pop up when Unionists are getting worried

The thread "popped up" as it was started by a separatist. Who's worried now? 😂

What do you mean by nationalist? Someone who sees scotland being independent as dtupid as the uk levaing the eu?

I can't believe anyone with sense thinking Scotland is better staying in the abusive relationship that is the 'United' kingdom. Uncertainty from an referendum and resulting independence would be difficult for a few years yes. But Westminster has made the economy worse over the past few years and at the moment it's looking like there's no respite or improvement in sight. Didn't even Rees Mogg say what? 50 years? Before any benefit would be seen. And losing freedom of movement in Europe for us and our children. So hard to understand why anyone would do this on purpose.

The pound dropped to its lowest in 18 months when May was starting to look like putting off the meaningful vote. Everything they do is causing untold damage. She's away to 'negotiate' again even though she's been told there's no more negotiations happening. It's embarrassing.

There used to be a 'broad shoulders' argument for staying in the UK but it's no longer valid. Economic self harm no matter what kind of Brexit happens. The majority of Scotland's people didn't and don't want to leave the EU.

I'm looking forward to a majority of Scotland's people voting for independence and I believe it's coming soon. There is no reason to stay in this toxic union. rUK will trade with iScotland as cheaply and freely as possible or they are cutting off their noses to spite their faces. The EU will negotiate to allow Scotland in quickly and with good faith.

I'm giving my opinion as a non economist and an independence supporter. I have colleagues, family and friends of the same mind as well as those who are unionists. We don't fight or argue and we accept that we have different opinions. It's only online that I see 'divisive' arguments. I can't wait for another vote.

If Scotland left the uk, and it applied and was successful in rejoining the EU, how would its imports and exports with the EU be transported ?.
If it was transported by road and landed at English ports, Dover, or came through the tunnel would they then have to pay some kind of tax to cross English territory, and be subjected to customs regulations and checks.
It could all get very nasty and expensive for Scotland, just a thought.

Good job there are also ports in Scotland where they could land then

Yes, Scotland has coastline and ports too!

Airports as well.

Scotland could afford to pay tax on land exports through a border though. It would be the least we could do. Scotland could be a good friend and ally to rUK. Unless rUK didn't want our help and goodwill. They're not doing very well with the EU so far.

Unionists have developed this technique where they ask technical questions, any technical questions they can think of, almost always ones that can be answered easily by specialists but not by ordinary people, and then use the fact that they themselves can't think of an answer as a reason independence can't happen. @Vicky1990's 'question' is typical.

@LassWiADelicateAir No independent country would tolerate its media being controlled by its neighbour, let alone its larger, aggressive neighbour; no independent country with a free media would hand over its oil wealth to its greedy imperialist neighbour, watch itself get poorer, watch its children suffer poverty (while its poorer but free neighbour Norways soars) and then call itself a beggar for the privilege; no independent democratic country would sit back as its population is crowded into urban ghettoes so that the elite of their aggressive neighbours can shoot birds and animals; no free independent country would accept drawing its governing classes from a private school system designed to expunge its culture and inculcate feelings of cultural inferiority while promoting the culture of its aggressive neighbour; no independent free country would tolerate constantly being subjected to damaging, often hostile legislation foisted on it by a neighbour and then accept it on the basis of some childish historical mythology about being an 'equal partner' in a 'marriage' or 'union' with the country that built the largest empire in the history of the world.

Lass.
That is exatly my thoughts about the EU as well, and the Elephant in the room is they want even more power and territory, pushing right up to the Russian border, that's going to end well with Putin in charge.

Meanwhile...
bbc
Fundamental stuff like education continues to fail under the SNP

Day job Day job Day job

Fundamental stuff like Government continues to fail under the Tories. Fundamental stuff like opposition continues to fail under Labour. Have you seen the farce that is the HoC recently?

People looking for SNP bashing headlines have absolutely no problem finding them on the BBC though, for which I know you're very happy.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/11/nicola-sturgeon-brexit-may-corbyn-leader

Laughing at someone saying the SNP should be doing the day job!

Day job - tweet from this morning.

Anyway. Independence is not about the SNP. It's not about one party. And Scotland needs to get her independence as soon as possible