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Original poster

To think schools will close, rubbish will rot and bodies won't be buried

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bananacake2134 · 06/12/2018 22:42

‏Local authorities making emergency plans for March 29th onwards 2019 for Crash Out Brexit (Leaving without a deal)

@faisalislam
NEW: Extraordinary Kent County Council No Deal Brexit document detailing “Operation Fennel” next month to hold 10,000 HGVs “on a routine basis”

-administration GCSEs/SATS

  • waste services “delayed and disrupted”
  • “difficulties with transport of the deceased”

Looks like there's a serious possibility of 1000s of our kids having wasted years of education as GCSE and A level exams could be cancelled.

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Childrenofthesun · 07/12/2018 08:15

No, we were mitigating against possible unknowns with the Y1k bug. With no-deal Brexit we know exactly what the practical consequences will be (customs border controls necessitating lengthy delays at Dover) and while we don't know the exact economic consequences, you don't withdraw from all your international trading arrangements without some serious fall out
The government knows and has published the impact assessments so why do so many members of the public not understand.

If you understand the consequences but still say you want to leave for whatever reason, I would think you were crazy but would at least know you had made an informed decision. This deliberate ignorance and denial is shameful in an educated country.

KennDodd · 07/12/2018 08:15

Things will carry on as before

One of the scariest things I've read was some research that said a very significant percentage of the population think 'no deal' means nothing changes, we leave the EU but everything stays the same. Many, many people just don't understand this isn't the case, A50 ripped up all our 'contracts'. In fairness to the people who believe this, generally in life, this is what it means. I've heard politicians imply as much describing the negotiations as if they are a business deal, you sit down with your opposite number and try to make a deal, if you can't you say 'no deal' and walk away. Difference with this analogy is that the business people walk away to the status quo, this isn't the case with Brexit, we have ripped up the status quo and before somebody bleats about WTO being fine (or even more ignorant, 'the rest of the world trade fine on WTO) we don't have the infrastructure to manage WTO rules, and trade is only part of the negotiations anyway.

LittleAlbatross · 07/12/2018 08:16

@keely71 @BlueJava OMG read up. Seriously, you're playing brilliantly into the leaver stereotype here.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 07/12/2018 08:16

I read a lot of brexit posts

And some leave voters make excellent arguments (still think they are wrong at times but it leads me to research and think)

And some remain voters do the same

And then someone posts about it being hyped like y2k, and im quite relieved because if thats the best they have i can skip all their posts moving forward

Anothermothersusername · 07/12/2018 08:17

A no deal Brexit won’t happen. The political elite simply will not allow it. The deal that May is trying to get through is not a Brexit. Our membership will remain albeit at a slightly lighter level. None of them though the British public would vote leave. No plans were made in case we did. Now they are panicking. The deal will be rejected and there will either be a general election (potentially leaving us with a Marxist government) or a second vote.

Personally I hope it is the latter.

SoupDragon · 07/12/2018 08:17

The company I worked for spent at least 2 years identifying problems and reprogramming their computer systems for Y2K. That was a bloody long blink 😂

Caprisunorange · 07/12/2018 08:17

This is Kent though- if there are problems getting through Dover the county WILL be full of lorries and there is nowhere for them
To park (a current problem, hence operation stack)

This won’t be something the rest of the country will suffer

SergeantPfeffer · 07/12/2018 08:17

I love it when people bring up health and safety like it’s some pointless thing rather than legislation that saves lives. You know what happens when we ignore health and safety and act like it’s “red tape”? Grenfell. Work place cancers. Miners lung. Mesothelioma. Phossy jaw.
I could go on but what’s the point.

Anothermothersusername · 07/12/2018 08:19

What an absolute mess Confused

homebirds · 07/12/2018 08:20

This couldn't be more different from the millennium bug. Seriously those of you who think nothing will happen must think we have no relationship or arrangements with Europe so we just carry on as we are!! No deal means lots of things will just stop. If you ever buy anything or use any service that has a European supplier or manufacturer in the supply chain then you need to be worried.

Tell me why you wouldn't be?

Pipsqueak11 · 07/12/2018 08:23

This typifies the issue in my view - setting out the arguments based on the EVIDENCE by concerned posters who want to think about the issues. And understand the implications The OP has copied the extract from KCC planning document which will have been prepared by those people who run the relevant services,
The brexiteer"s response is simply a dismissive claim that it's all "scaremongering' .
It's frankly pathetic. I'm a chief officer of a council miles away from Kent and we are working with central government and taking their advice , our own data and expertise in these services in our area and planning along the same lines including civil disruption . Sure it may not happen but no one will thank us if it goes tits up

frumpety · 07/12/2018 08:27

I love the idea that this would only be Kent's problem, that the other surrounding counties would be in no way effected if Kent turned into a massive car park.

Anyway good for Kent council doing a bit of actual planning, I wonder if they could help the Government out Grin

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bananacake2134 · 07/12/2018 08:36

Timescale for this:

56 days of Parliamentary time before No Deal/Crash Out happens.

No one in government needs to do anything.

It just happens automatically.

after as it looks like it will happen that May's brexit deal loses the vote on this coming Tuesday.

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RhythmNBooze · 07/12/2018 08:37

Yep same way everyone prepared for the millennium bug. And everyone hyped each other up about it and loads of people and companies made millions of pounds cashing in on all the hearsay. Then nothing happened

You do realise that nothing happened because of all the effort put in to make sure nothing happened don't you Hmm

Deadbudgie · 07/12/2018 08:37

Remainders do seem to have an issue with forming a sentence without the use of foul language. Mind you arrogance and the inability to form a coherent argument by the remain side that went beyond stamping feet and saying “because it is....” is largely what let the leave side win in the first place

bellinisurge · 07/12/2018 08:38

I'm pretty confident that Parliament won't let No Deal happen. And I'm a prepper so worst case scenarios are things I often put my mind to.
Anyone who thinks this is all Project Fear BS should remind themselves that Kent was a Leave area and the Council has nothing to gain by stoking BS. They actually mean it.

bellinisurge · 07/12/2018 08:40

@Deadbudgie - forgive me for using foul language but not being able to educate kids and dead bodies piling up kinda brings out the grumpy in me.
Hurt feelings? Really?

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bananacake2134 · 07/12/2018 08:42

Parliament can't stop it bellini.

When may's deal loses.

No deal/Crash Out is what happens.

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Bittermints · 07/12/2018 08:42

My blood pressure won't cope with too many threads like this so maybe I'm just unlucky and this is unusual, but having skimmed through the first few posts, every so often a different name pops up and says 'Just like the Millennium bug, what a fuss about nothing!' and scuttles away without, presumably, reading the indignant responses from people who actually know what they're talking about who point out that the Millennium bug wasn't a fuss about nothing. A potential problem was identified, plans were made to deal with it, a lot of people worked very hard on implementing those plans, money was committed to it, disaster was averted. The comparison with how our government has approached Brexit couldn't be starker.

bellinisurge · 07/12/2018 08:43

Grieve amendment allows Parliament to step in. More or less.

Mammylamb · 07/12/2018 08:44

And then the dead will walk the earth

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bananacake2134 · 07/12/2018 08:45

Remainders do seem to have an issue with forming a sentence without the use of foul language
Sorry, I can't see the post you're talking about, but I agree, with you. Foul language is horrible and pointless. no one should be attacking leavers, we're in a pickle and need to get out,some how,

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Kazzyhoward · 07/12/2018 08:47

All organisations should be performing risk assessments and contingency planning as a matter of routine anyway. We'd all be hiding under our beds if all these contingency plans were made public. The whole point is that they're "what if's" - they're not expectations of what is likely/probable to happen. It is entirely right that critical organisations such as the local councils are giving some thought into what may happen and how they can plan - it's bread and butter, day to day, work for them to think like that - doesn't mean that such events are likely to happen - it's preparing for eventualities that may happen.

PoisonousSmurf · 07/12/2018 08:50

Never knew the EU ran our exam boards? Or dealt with our dead?
So many snowflakes out there. No wonder no one riots and protests anymore.
Be like the French, they still have backbones!

Kazzyhoward · 07/12/2018 08:51

we're in a pickle and need to get out,some how

One way is to stay in the EU, but the other way is to prepare properly for a future outside it - that seems to what the council are working on, i.e. a contingency plan for a no deal exit.

As long as plans are being made for a no deal, then that's a valid option, i.e. to make it as painless as possible.

What we really don't want is everyone in their own "la la" lands saying we won't leave and then waking up the day after we leave, finding out that no one has actually done any planning for it!