To think he should NEVER be released - HORRIFIC STORY WARNING ***warning reiterated by MNHQ - disturbing content***

[ShockedandOutraged]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6457161/Hes-bad-Ian-Brady.html#article-6457161

After committing a crime like this, it can never be guaranteed that this man is not a risk to society. What parameters do the Parole Board use to determine this? He has not been around to lose his temper/in a position to kill children while inside.

The reports details a network of 'friends' that this fiend has as support when he's out. Who on earth could be friends with something like this?

How can he even want to be released? If he had any remorse he'd have killed himself before now.

The poor parents of these children. Is there anyway they can fight against this?

Ok not defending him, but her reasons for why he should be released are just as bad!

Pickle explained why, in her opinion, a different person of a different age should be considered for parole. There was nothing in his defence about mental health issues!

He has already been out once on temporary license staying in a bail hostel in 2006, until the press found out.

I don’t understand why they then backtracked and returned him to a closed prison until now?

I can't believe I've never heard this story. No, he shouldn't be released, and if he is, I hope that someone is waiting outside for him.

Not with a gun though, that would be too quick.

You have to hope that the Justice Secretary is currently shouting down the phone at someone.

It was so many years ago . The year I was born and remember the media was nothing like it is now . Despite me saying the parole board have to be trusted it’s haunted me today
Someone will fuck him over when is released is my bet . The beauty of social media hey

The children also had a father too
Who also would have suffered terribly

Well it depends who is advising the parole board

Many professionals differ on their approach as to who can and who can not be rehabilitated

I struggle to understand why this man is being realeased

Grace212 Tue 04-Dec-18 21:44:52
Pickle explained why, in her opinion, a different person of a different age should be considered for parole.

Normally I'd agree - but someone who could calculate the murder and mutilation of these 3 children should NEVER be considered for parole - it's such an abhorrent crime - and his defence was he was 'stressed'??

My heart breaks for the parents of those children murdered by him - they don't get any human rights or parole - I truly hope he's released and a vigilante snuffs his life out - nobody who could even imagine doing what he did to that family, psychologist/psychiatrist or what - have him rehomed in your neighbourhood. I wonder if they'd be so 'human rights'

He's already been allowed out near kids on work release. None of those were told, of course, because, naturally, his rights matter more than anyone else's. This country is a joke when it comes to protecting the public!

Guess they feel he proved himself but not murdering any of those he was around whilst on work release. As if he's not one who can bide his time.

I really hope some psycho vigilante doesn't target some innocent who looks like him and subject him to a horrible death because the joke of a justice system can't pull its head out its arse and cotton on that he's a fucking liability to the public.

@MattFreisCheekyDimples what facts could the parole board possibly have that would make people feel differently about the prospect of his release?
Don’t you understand that people don’t care about whether he has or has not rehabilitated etc, he should serve life inside as punishment. The only information they could have that would make me change my mind is of they had proof he didn’t do it

I believe that some people's existence only brings misery and suffering to others, and it would be in the benefit of all if these people were not around, and if this happened as soon as possible.

A person who kills 2 toddlers and a baby in a savage way and impales them on a spike, in my opinion, belongs to that category described above.

This case www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-24608144 is why this release should not be approved.

McLouglin lasted 5 hours out of prison after 2 previous murders before he killed again. He had completed 4 years in a therapeutic prison and innumerable anger management courses, spent incalculable hours with psychological therapists.
Some people are simply hard wired to kill when things do not go their way.

Aliens - I'm only on page 11 and am already sick of what a goody fucker you are.

Please just let people discuss the topic, and keep out of it of you have nothing to contribute except an "I know you are but what am I attitude".

The Parole Board, as shown by the Rice and the Warboys case, is subject to regulator capture. They spend a lot of time with poor misunderstood criminals, who had hard childhoods and were stressed. Those poor misunderstood criminals, and legal aid, pay for psychologists to write reports in their favour (as happened in the Warboys case) and pay for lawyers to represent them (as happened in the Rice case). The victims, meanwhile, can fuck off: the Parole Board has no obligation to even tell them what is happening, never mind ask for their opinion.

Naive do-gooders can then virtue signal by competing with each other to show how forgiving and understanding they are, from the safety of anonymity, and slip out the news on Boxing Day or whenver they think they can get away with it.

The evidence, deliberation and conclusions are all secret and, when exposed to the disinfectant of sunlight, are shown to be bollocks: in the Warboys case, a 40 minute meeting had unreadable hand written notes, and the paid psychologists were able to overrule the prison psychologists who had actually worked with him. The court hearing in the Warboys case shows that the Parole Board just paid no attention to victims, no attention to the public, but couldn't wait - FORTY MINUTES, the meeting took - to release a serial rapist.

There's a simple solution to this: the Parole Board can be a public tribunal, with the evidence heard in public and subject to public scrutiny. They were convicted in public, they can be released in public.

Reflect how would work? I imagine, in the case of rape for example, details of the victims, the crime, etc would be discussed in detail? Are these panels held in ‘secret’ to protect the victims too?

the Parole Board can be a public tribunal, with the evidence heard in public and subject to public scrutiny. They were convicted in public, they can be released in public.

THIS

As Reflenctant says - there should be total openness about these cases.

What about the victim though?

@Iwanttoswingfromachandier

just to be clear, I was making a rather sarcastic remark about what pickle said, as it was totally inaccurate anyway. Sorry, I should have been clearer. No idea where pickle got their version of events.

Great username btw.

It’s sickening that a disgusting thing like him could spent the rest of his days as a freeman. Those poor parents have never been free from grief and my heart goes out to them and the police who had to deal with the case. Life must mean life in a case like this he doesn’t deserve one minute out of jail. He did this, there was no doubt about it, and must pay the price which is life in jail.

pickle fuck off with your bullshit!

I imagine, in the case of rape for example, details of the victims, the crime, etc would be discussed in detail? Are these panels held in ‘secret’ to protect the victims too?

Parole board hearings relating to rape would be held on the same basis as the original trial. We ensure the anonymity of victims in the trial, we can do it in subsequent hearings.

The secrecy of the Parole Board reflects the idea that the little people aren't sophisticated enough to understand the subtle arguments of experts, and therefore not only should they not be permitted to participate, they should not even be told.

Gove was being a tool - again - when he complained about "too many experts", but in these fields he has a point. If you are unwilling to even attempt to explain or justify your work to the layman, you should worry about whether you have public consent for your work. There will be situations where the layman simply cannot understand, but the law is rarely like that.

I have never believed in the death penalty, but since living in a country where children and women are raped and murdered in vile ways every single day has made me think that sometimes it is the answer, and in this case in the UK, it is. No second chances.

The parole board is a disgrace. There are certain crimes from which there should be no coming back. I'd like to see the parole board agree to leave their kids/grandkids near him. The mother should not have to fucking relive this.